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  1. evallded

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    Greetings everyone, long time lurker here but I think it is time I finally commit.

    There is a long back story and lots of work done on my car and yes, I have searched the forums here but to no resolve.

    Within the last few days I have been having the "There is a problem with the transmission P lock mechanism" popping up. It has been bad enough that my car can not be used at all.

    I have checked the battery, it was a little low ( I believe this was due to some engine issues I was having) But it is charged and sitting at 12.4 to 12.3 when I am messing with it and if I can get the car to start then it does come back up to 13.9 to 14.0 volts. This is read off the display screen in test mode and directly from the battery with a multimeter. I have checked the trunk hatch, solid. The doors are all tightly closed. The battery terminals and connections are tight, clean and secure.

    I am really at a loss here. It seems everyone puts this solely on the 12v battery but as mentioned it seems to be fine. Please help
     
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    How old is that battery?

    What sort of charger are you using?

    12.4~12.3 volts is not very good. Get it checked by pros with an electronic load tester, or with something like Solar BA5.
     
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    I bought the battery 3 years ago, it is an Optima yellow top battery. And as mentioned it is holding a charge.
     
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    12.4~12.3 after charging is not good, especially if that's fresh after charging, when there will be what's called "surface charge". Give it a day or two of use, that would likely drop. Also, readings of 13.9~14.0 when the car's running don't mean anything.

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    If you are able, connect your multimeter to the battery so it reads continuously. Apply a decent load to the battery, like high beams, wiper motors, etc and watch what the battery voltage is while those items are operating.

    Battery voltage is not a good indicator of capacity. Let me adjust this, because I don't want to sound like I'm stepping on toes. Battery voltage is not ALWAYS a good indicator of health, because there are different stages where battery voltage can be checked, ie immediately after shutting off an engine, the battery voltage is high and will drift down over a few hours to it's true state. For example, last night, I just started cycling some HV battery modules from a recent GreenTec rebuilt battery I acquired. It failed one month after it's 18 month warranty expired. It's been out of the car since Friday Nov 24th. I'll put more detailed info up later today or tomorrow, but the modules were all fairly close except 2, which were about 0.2 volts lower than the rest. Those modules showed an initial capacity of <400mAh, while the others were >3000mAh.

    Voltage under load is much more indicative of battery health.
     
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    Could you just try carry out the electric load test as he has recommended?

    When the vehicle is in READY mode, its supposed to be in the 13-14volts.




    Dxta
     
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    Again as mentioned, It was a little low due to not being driven and some engine issues I was having. But I recharged it last night, went out first thing right off the charger with 13.1 volts and it would not start. Now I may be mistaken but it seems if it were a battery issue that it would have started when at such a good reading. Immediately after putting a load on it it did come back down to 12.3 to 12.4 which is where it should be. Then I removed the 7.5 amp main fuse and waited 30 seconds and replaced it and it then started. But then shut it off and we went right back to where we were.
     
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    This is a good point and I had not been taking this into consideration. I will be right back with some results
     
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    A battery retailer with an electronic load tester should be willing to load test with one of the new electronic testers out there, for free (hoping for your business). It'll assess Cold Cranking Amps, compare to spec, give a verdict on whether it's still viable. If CCA is higher than spec your're likely good. But a borderline battery, one that's sat in the car without running for days/weeks on end, connected and slowly being discharged by the background loads that are always present, and showing CCA lower than spec, even after charging, I'd replace.
     
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    So here is a quick run at a 45 second test x2.

    Started at 12.8 volts, turned on headlights and it dropped to 12.37 momentarily but then slowly came back up to 12.41 over the course of about 45 seconds. Did it again with the high beams and the results are similar.

    I am happy to replace the battery if that is what it needs but this does seem to be a good battery. The last time I had it professionally tested was right after I did my engine swap (about 2 months ago) and all the readings came back desirable. I did not get specs from the tech just that there was nothing wrong with the battery. Reason for testing is after the engine swap it had ran it down because the DC/DC converter was not all the way plugged in......DOH
     
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    When in ready mode it reads a solid 13.9 to 14.0 volts
     
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    As mentioned.......right off the charger the battery was sitting at 13+V. And 13.9 to 14 when running does mean something. It means that the DC/DC converter is doing its job. Being this is a process of elimination I thought it worthy of mentioning.
     
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    Again I am happy to replace the 12v, I admit I do not know enough about them to say one way or the other for what I do know about batteries, dry cell are an even bigger mystery to me. I am not a tech, just a guy with a decent head on his shoulders....from time to time.

    I am really curious though what the other causes could be. Can this be a transmission issue, or possibly a sensor? Again I did do an engine swap on it myself not that long ago and beings that the engine was "good to go" and "low miles" but unknown to me, I have of course been waiting for the other shoe to drop.
     
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    And the real question, even assuming the battery is bad, and needs replaced. If reading such decent numbers even if not for more than a couple hours, would the car still being doing this? Wouldn't it think everything was fine initially and then start acting up after the battery started to fail again?
     
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    With the battery reading 12.4 with high beams on, my initial gut feeling is the battery is probably ok. But, I've been wrong before.
    I may be tapped out on my ability to help, as my knowledge base is more in the HV battery, not the car itself. Hopefully someone has some good ideas for you. Strange about the 7.5 amp fuse. What is the exact labeling on that fuse?

    Maybe a connector issue for cabling/sensors at parking motor?

     
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    Thanks, that is my next step. Luckily I have a back motor for parts if needed. Since I did the engine swap I found out just how hard some of these connectors click on and how easy it is to miss one. I missed the snapping of the DC/DC converter when putting it back together and was amazed at the array of issues that can come up from a 12v battery. I will update here when I have looked more into this
     
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    Any DTC codes being thrown at this point?
     
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    I only have a simple OBDII reader and there is nothing being thrown that I can see
     
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    I think the 12V is Ok. 3 things I can think of, transmission lock problem, search that. Probably a box that’s bad, or just needs rebooting. Two types; 1. Get ready light 2-3 times, other type of reboot is disconnect 12 V neg. connection. Then reconnect and try. If you were actually removing the 12V when charging it on a bench, then that is a reboot. The car has something like 17 computers in it and when rebooting all of them are refreshened, so to speak. Search and see what boxes, sub assemblies control the transmission lock. All fluids are topped up? Check level on continuous variable transmission, something is causing that lock to not work. Since sometimes it almost wants to work, I would suspect a poor connection, a fuse, barely connected, etc. Good Luck.
     
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    A simple reader may not be adequate, unless it happens to be toyota hybrid compatible.

    Try to located/borrow a better reader (toyota hybrid compatible) or pick up a mini-vci cable online ($20 give or take on ebay/amazon), but that option also requires a laptop.
     
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