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12V low warning light on, Toyota says battery fine. Help!

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by aerinha, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. aerinha

    aerinha New Member

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    A few weeks ago, while sitting in the parking lot at work, my 3rd generation 2015 Prius’ radio conked out. Tried another channel and found all the stations were out. Turned the car off and then turned it back on to accessory. It beeped at me and said the aux battery was low and to make sure I was parked on a level surface (which I was).


    This is my third Prius. Previous 2 (1st & 2nd Gen) had their 12V batteries die after the dash kept fading (1st Gen) or giving me a message about my transmission malfunctioning (2nd Gen) at the 2-3 year old mark. ACcording to dealer, low 12V means weird messages. Oddly, once changed, the new batteries lasted longer than the originals and didn’t need another change.


    So when my 2.5 year old 3rd Gen gave me a real “it’s the battery” message, I was thrilled I didn’t have to decipher what was going on. Took it to Toyota, relayed the problem and my past experience so they knew why I was sure it was the 12V. For 2 hours I sat, thinking they were replacing it, for them to tell me it was fine, the battery was giving off more charge than it should and that if I ever saw that message again I needed to take my car around the block. Ok, but it was December in PA and with the memory of my dead in Feb Prius in mind, couldn’t we just change it anyway so I didn’t have to worry about it? Nope. I left wondering if I’d be stranded in a few weeks or if I got ripped off when they automatically changed my 2nd Gen based on the same signs.


    It has been near zero at night for 1.5 weeks here and below 20 most days. I made sure, even while off for the holiday, to drive my car around. Yesterday it was fine. It started fine this morning, then all the electronics died in the parking lot at work. Turned it off, tried to put it back on accessory, dash flickered, gave the low 12V message. Tried to start the engine and the engine wouldn’t start. Waited a minute, tried to start it again and it ran. Went back out 2 hours later at break and it started fine. I drove it around the block at work.


    I really don’t know what to do. Toyota refused to change the battery, I can’t walk into Walmart and buy one for my stepdad to replace. This is causing me daily anxiety in the super cold weather. Do I take it back to Toyota and insist they replace the battery? Could it be something else wrong with it like an electrical problem? Any advice on what it might be or what I should do is appreciated.
     
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    just change it done
     
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    The original battery is not warrantied, as far as I know.

    You can walk into Pep Boys though:

    Car Batteries | Auto Batteries For Trucks & SUV's | Pep Boys

    Do you often listen to the radio with the car in accessory mode? Does the car sit for multiple days without use on occasion? I would read up a bit on 12 volt maintenance, at the least invest in a digital multimeter to monitor the battery voltage, look into getting a smart charger.
     
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    We have $70 jump kits for both our Prii. For me, peace of mind is worth that much. 2 or 3 years is a relatively short life for a battery when it spends its time in a cold climate and never has to crank the engine. Perhaps you should also invest in a trickle charger. It appears your car does not get enough long trips to keep the battery fully charged.
     
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    Thank you. I will look into that.

    I drive it daily but work is 10 minutes from home.
     
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    I work close to home. My previous two needed battery replacements early but once replaced lasted for as long as I had the car.
     
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    The fix is simple, NEVER sit in "accessory mode". Always have the car in "ready" if you're sitting listening to music etc. It will then charge the 12V battery. You don't have to "drive it around the block". The 12V battery charges when in "ready".

    The dealer may be correct, you may not need a new battery, but if you keep sitting in accessory mode you will soon.
     
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    welcome!
    put a permanent battery minder on it.
     
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    That's not enough driving to keep the 12V properly charged. You might consider getting a battery maintainer and connecting it under the hood to the jump locations when the car is not in use.
     
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    1. Are you expecting your Toyota dealer service department to replace the 12V battery under warranty?
    2. If the answer to #1 is no, then all you have to do is to go to the dealer parts department and buy a replacement 12V battery. Then ask your stepdad to install that battery.
    3. I agree that a 10 minute commute is insufficient driving time to keep the 12V battery charged, so you need to put a 4A battery charger on the battery overnight, at least monthly to keep the battery fully-charged.
     
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    NEVER sit with the car in Accessory mode with the radio on.
    If you want to sit listening to the radio, have the car in READY mode and Park.
    Sitting for long times in Accessory mode is abuse of the 12V battery anyway and would not be covered by any warranty since it was abused, not defective.
     
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    To clarify I never once thought the 12v was under warranty. By replace I meant that after I sat in their waiting area for two hours in the middle of a work day figuring that amount of time meant they were putting a new battery I expected a bill for $200+ not "drive around the block when You get that message", its fine and we aren't changing it for you. When I took my Gen 2 Prius in for a similar message they were all over it telling me I needed a new battery, changed it and I never needed another for the following five years I had the car. I wanted it taken care of before it was 10 degrees out. A month later it is acting up again and nothing has changed about how I treat it and until Thanksgiving I never had a battery issue.

    I do not sit for long periods listening to the radio in accessory, maybe five minutes, and in my post said I just turned the car on accessory that day to check the time. But honestly people do do this with cars and I have done it with my previous Priuses. If I can't treat this Prius like most people treat a cat my next car probably won't be one, sad because this is my third.

    My step dad says he isn't comfortable doing the replacement so I will either try a Pep Boys or AAA since Toyota was a waste of a day.

    Thanks for helping confirm it is the battery
     
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    Not sure where you got that I sit for "long periods of time" in accessory but I don't. About five minutes a day I have it on accessory before going into work. Most people do this with their cars no prob. That is not abuse. I never said I thought it was defective or under warranty either. I was concerned it might be an electrical prob since Toyota said the battery was fine yet I still keep having issues that I previously did not have with the car until this November.
     
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    I'm guessing that Toyota charged your battery and then load tested it. A battery has to be fully charged to load test it.

    I see you are at the point that the battery is causing you anxiety so I would just have it changed so you can sleep at night.

    If that doesn't fix it at least you know that isn't it. Change the battery and get on with you life.
     
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    Are you thinking old-style load tester, the "toaster" style. There are now electronic load testers, not sure how they work, but it is very non-invasive. You can hood up any battery style, any condition, input data about it's type, and it's CCA, or CA (there's a few more), and it runs the test, tells you it's measured CCA, it's voltage, and a verdict, either good, good-but-recharge, or failed. The DIY version is "Solar BA5". Dealerships likely have a pro-level equivalent.
     
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    the major cold is having a detrimental effect on everyone's 12v. my daughters died the other day in our driveway.
     
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    Mendel, I have one of the battery testers you mention. I believe I saw in in one of your threads.

    Here is a guy that explains it well.

     
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    Yeah that's the one. (y)
     
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    They do a "pulse test", but I've found the results are much more reliable if the battery is charged. So in that respect they aren't much different from the old load testers.
     
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    I decided my Gen2 original 12V battery (13+ years old) needs replaced based on my running the onboard diagnostic showing current state of 11.8v and that dropping to 10.4 when headlights were then turned on. 14.2v showed once the care was started so charging system seams functional. CARQUEST locally will sell you an Autolite Platinum AGM battery and install it for less then half of what the OEM from Toyota will cost you. I watched a YouTube video on how to replace the 12v battery and did it myself anyway (pretty easy!). Your Step-Dad might be comfortable installing once he watches the video.