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  1. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    Well, I suppose this forum is as good as any other for health advice.

    Sleep, but no rest? Sound like you? Any advice? I can usually get by with four hours or so, but lately seems like nine of very poor quality is not enough.

    Any advice -- for me -- has to be all that fuzzy non-toxic, natural, non drug, etc., but for others, go for it.

    Anyway.....just thinking some of you may have some advice.
    kris
     
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    Have good sex before you sleep
     
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    Your body is changing while pregnant.

    Have you been tested for sleep apnea? That can really mess with restful sleep.
    Usually a home or lab sleep study while hooked up to some equipment helps diagnose. Although CPAP is not desirable undiagnosed sleep apnea can be fatal.
     
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    Have you considered all of the potential causes in your life now? Physical changes, stress, worry, etc.?

    I've found that as I get older, new issues rear their ugly head from time to time.

    My biggest help for sleep is activity - hitting the gym five days a week.

    Also, I now see my doctor on a more regular basis - get tests and start taking whatever is needed. I found out lately that I inherited high blood pressure, and have begun a daily dose of Losartan.

    Life is all about changes. It's just a matter of keeping up and addressing them as they come. (y)
     
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    I think that sleep apnea is less likely in a young, fit, healthy person. I've found that stress is generally more likely, so perhaps something has been nagging on your mind recently. A warm milk drink before going to bed or brisk exercise after supper could be beneficial in those circumstances without harm to your well-being.
     
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    I agree, but if a "brief excuse" involves alcohol, that may not be a good option right now since she has a little one on the way.
     
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    haven't slept in years. sorry, no good advice here.
     
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    So, you're advocating that the sleep of the just after is actually better than the sleep of the just?

    :rolleyes:
     
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    1. Turn the cell phone OFF or set a do not disturb mode and leave it in another room.
    2. When you go to bed, don't read, watch TV, etc. while in bed. Just lay down and sleep. Associates the bed with sleep.
    3. No naps during the day.
    4. No caffeine after noon.

    Good luck. I think we all go through these cycles.
     
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    Could be a LOT of things. Sleep apnea comes to mind.
    At the risk of stating the obvious......see a doctor.

    If you intend to count on medical advice received in ANY forum like this.........well, it's been nice knowing you. :eek:
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    +1 on electronic devices in the bedroom.
    (pause for Junior High jokes)

    +1 on the -naps. In my case no caffeine after 6pm) YMMV

    +1 on a check-up that does not involve some daffy "sleep clinic" whose purpose is selling Soviet era surplus Cosmonaut masks.
    (I use a fitbit to track sleep quality........YMMV)

    1.)
    No alcohol as a sleep aid!
    Yes Alky is you're inclined to have one or two occasionally but treat like caffeine.
    Alcohol giveth the sleep but taketh the sleep quality.....especially those three IPAs you quaffed right before bedtime!

    B.)
    That "sleep of the just" thing is not without merit......EXCEPT for hormones! Despite witnessing the ravages of meno and manopause I'm singularly unqualified to offer advice other than to seek non-internet herbal advice to mitigate the peaks and valleys.
    You're in Oregon.
    That widens your selection.

    III.)
    Exercise.
    If you're an endorphin junkie, consider scheduling and reduce.
    For the other 99.99999999999 percent of Americans, moderate exercise.
    Exercise & Insomnia: Natural Remedy - National Sleep Foundation

    Four:
    What happens between the sheets is often heavily influenced by what's happening between your earlobes.
    This applies both to sleep and the fun stuff.
    Assess, and Address!
    For (very poor!) theists like me, prayer perhaps offers the same benefit that meditation gives other folks, and church activities offer socialization and counseling opportunities that other people get through community volunteer work or associations and/or groups.
    Even a little quiet time in the evening watching the deer and the antelope play can help.

    Note:
    Even though I actively scoff at "sleep clinics", mental health assessment is not to be taken lightly.
    If you have the slightest suspicion that your sleep is being influenced by a mental health issue, then seek off-line help or advice immediately!
    If such an assessment leads to a pharmaceutical inspired "solution" then treat this in the same way as you would a 4-figure 'repair' estimate from a Toyota dealership.
    The human animal has roughly a 75 year warranty. Slightly higher for the female model, because it has a better CPU.
    Anything that is not maintenance.....is a REPAIR, and those DEMAND at least a second opinion and a thorough explanation!!!

    Some models benefit from 'fuel additives" but generally speaking they're not to be taken for younger models that have been well maintained.

    Again....YMMV

    Good Luck!
     
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    My wife has problems sleeping unless the room is absolutely dark. No LEDs or lights of any kind.
    She suffers from chronic migraines to sometimes, even then, she has problems sleeping well.

    EDIT: Is your SO restless & disturbing you? Just another thought.
     
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    Yes, I believe that's what happens based on personal experience.
     
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    So hard to guess why. I would need to know about your daily habits. Many reasons to why people don't sleep well. Hopefully something here that someone has already put in resonates for you.
     
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    Thanks again. I've edited to exercise... Like a walk, maybe.

    The darker the better for sleep, as even with eyes closed tight light is discernable to the optic nerve and hence the brain which stimulates production of melatonin.
    Melatonin for Sleep: Hormone and Supplement Effects on Sleep
     
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    For me, the "no electronic devices" idea from @Mark57 and @ETC(SS) doesn't work. I'm sure it does for them, and it's certainly worth trying: everyone is different.

    But for me, listening to something, in the dark, with my eyes closed, really helps me wind down. Because of the nature of my job, I'm often still thinking about work stuff by the time I go to bed. So I listen to something for half an hour before I go to bed. I often use the BBC radio comedy page, and listen to one of their half-hour shows. It's something that occupies my mind more than music - enough to push the work ideas out of my brain - but it's not particularly taxing. That usually relaxes me enough that I can get to sleep after I've listened to it. Because my wife's in bed too, I do this with headphones in, so I don't fall asleep while I'm listening - I have to take them out before I drop off - but once I've taken the headphones out, it seems to be a fairly good subconscious signal to go to sleep.
     
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    Source: Portable Pulse Oximeter | Sleep Apnea Guide

    In fact, the sleep apnea oximeter will show you how efficient is your apnea treatment.

    If your oxygen levels are bellow 92%, then your treatment is not effective enough. You should maintain O2 levels above 98% when sleeping.
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    Source:

    • . . .
    • SpO2 value and pulse rate can be uploaded to computers for analysis
    • Power supply: two “AAA” batteries(the standard configuration does not include batteries.)
    • USB and Sofware, Windows Vista, XP, or earlier use Version 1.0 of SPO2 Review, Windows 7 use Version 1.2 of SPO2 Review
    Sorry but this is a windows only software but it worked with virtual PC on my Mac. I used it one night on the CPAP machine and the next without. Sure enough the apnea events were well identified with O{2} levels in the mid 80s. But with the CPAP machine, never under 92%.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    And it's your "routine" that that your body recognizes that works. If it's TV or whatever, if you have a routine your body knows it's time to sleep. My earlier no electronics comments were thinking of those folks that check email, tweets, Facebook multiple times during the night, even when it's not job related.

    PS, I was on call 24 X 7 X 365 for 28 years so I know how those kinds of interruptions can mess with sleep. I can't imagine doing that to yourself when it's not job related, but I know many that do check their personal junk multiple times during the night.
     
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    Cool! So you are a CPAP "hosehead" too. I have been using one since February with nasal pillows. Around here, most who have tried CPAP quit using it due to inconvenience.

    A little OT, but what do you do to prepare for power outages? I am getting ready to try solar panels to charge an AGM battery and use the DC power supply for my unit. ( I am a little rural, near the end of a power feed.)