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Better MPG in summer vs. winter??

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  1. Alex Sander

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    Hey all, new to this page. Bought my first Prius in Aug. 2017. Between Aug. and Nov. I was averaging around 62 mpg. But it started to decline around Dec. and as of right now I’m only averaging 54 mpg. Is there a reason I got better fuel effects in the summer vs. the winter? I’m used to it being the opposite.
    I drive between 120-300 miles a day, mostly highways in St. Louis, MO, lots of hills when I go south, and have driven exclusively in ECO mode for the life of the car.
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    welcome!
    yes, there are several.

    are you saying that you had a magical vehicle that got better fuel efficiency in winter than summer?
     
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    The Prius feedback reveals it more starkly than a "regular" ICE vehicle, but all vehicles with an internal combustion engine get worse gas mileage in the colder weather of the winter. The Prius is no exception. HSD-Hybrid Synergy Drive is designed for efficiency, and for cleaner exhaust, and this all works at it's best once everything is warmed up. Which is why Winter and short trips affect the possible gas mileage. Also winter fuel blends have been accused of a level of impact.
    Combine all the factors and you can expect your MPG to dip every winter.
     
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    Thanks. I’m used to driving American made (ford, Chevy, dodge) trucks and suv’s that get worse gas mileage in the summer due to heavy use of the air conditioner. This is my first Prius and I absolutely love it. I’m just mostly hoping that there isn’t some kind of “wear down” of the battery in just 5 months.
     
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    Esp. if your older cars are big V6s or V8s, the hit with the heater is less than the hit with A/C given that they would produce all that heat anyway (low thermal efficiency).

    There are many factors. The Prius gains most of its fuel efficiency with the engine off so if the engine has to come on, the mpg hit will be most notable (think back to averages and how averages work). The engine is also 40% thermally efficient which means it's produces less heat than any other car (except the Ioniq and Camry which are also 40% thermally efficient). If you need the heater, the engine will have to run a bit longer than usual. Winter fuel has more additives for the colder weather so there is less gasoline per unit of fuel in the winter than in the summer. Colder air is more dense so you'll have to push through that. Tire pressures are lower (that's why you should check your tire pressure and bump it up if you haven't adjusted the pressures since summer). Rain/snow can affect mpg as well due to increased friction or just having to push through puddles or loose snow.


    Coles notes:

    • Engine runs more in the winter due to heater use. Also, the engine is starting at a colder temperature - takes longer to get up to operating temperature
    • Winter fuel reduces mpg
    • Cold air reduces mpg
    • Rain/snow reduces mpg
    • Tire pressures
    • Use of defrosters

    Also, you're still getting 54mpg in the winter which is very impressive. (My Gen 3 sits around 45 mpg in the dead of winter)
     
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    Why Mileage Gets Worse in the Winter | PriusChat

    Here is the summer-winter variation for my first Prius, a 2010:
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    Note that I live in an area needing much less summer AC and more winter heat than does your area.
    They must have had horribly inefficient AC.

    Prii were built to have more efficient AC than traditional cars, with the 2010 model year making a significant advance over prior versions.
     
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    My graph looks similar, except in liters per 100 kms, it's inverted lol.
     
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    Very inefficient a/c’s.
     
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    How do I get these graphs?
     
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    Keep a fuel log for the life of your car, then build a spreadsheet and graph with MS-Excel.

    I didn't use any pre-made apps, the task is simple enough to do-it-yourself on the fly.
     
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    I've just been using Fuelly for graph, but I do maintain an Excel spreadsheet, and was just thinking to bite the bullet, Google how to pipe Excel data to a graph. Give me a mo'.

    Ugh, not good at this. Oh well, a couple of years, higher is worse, in liters/100km:

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    Here's mine.

    The two obvious spikes in fuel economy were a short tank (refuelled 8 litres before a road trip in 2013) and accidentally didn't refuelled a full tank so the next one was 7.8L/100km lol (2017).

    The real bad tanks were Dec 2009, Mar 2013, and the couple in 2015/2016 (all below 39mpg) which were offset by the better 50mpg (or better) tanks in the summer. Lifetime is sitting at 47mpg.

    Again, L/100km so higher is worse. You can see the obvious seasonal trend with better numbers in the summer and worse in the winter.

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    "Normal cars" A/C runs the compressor off the engine. This means it works even when not needed.

    The Prius compressor is a three phase 201 volt AC motor that runs only when needed, and only as hard as is needed, so A/C is more efficient. It also means you don't have to run the engine to stay cool.

    Sadly, the best way to heat the passenger cabin still seems to be to heat water with the engine. So in winter you sometimes burn gas to keep yourself warm.

    It is not all about you though, cold oil is thicker and the engine and drivetrain work harder to move lubricants in the cold. Battery chemistry changes with temperature, Weather is different, etc.
     
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    Also the car shifts to different programming with colder ambient temps?
     
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    Also in winter, the car has to shove a lot of water out of the tire path, and this process consumes a lot of energy (fuel).
     
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    These types of spikes can be very well smoothed out by adding a weighted average line, as in my graph.

    Mine was computed by figuring average MPG over several tanks ahead and behind. For best results, figure total miles divided by total gallons for those several tanks, don't merely average the individual tank MPGs. But there are numerous different ways to do it, e.g. some more technical folks may wish to apply gaussian weighting factors to each element. Others may prefer a simple moving average. Some signal processing folks may even have an FIR filter toolkit available to apply.
     
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    For comparison, (my) Fuelly graph. It's not that flexible though; as far as I can see it's either a few recent, or all:

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    But yeah, good in July, not so good in January.
     
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    heat is for wimps.
     
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    Weather in foxboro and philly today looks like the eastern seaboard is having a heat wave:).

    It was only 55 here today and overcast :(.
     
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    46 here, we were in sorts and tees.:p
     
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