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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. bwilson4web

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    Source: California Governor orders 5M ZEV target for 2030; more hydrogen fueling and EV charging stations - Green Car Congress

    Brown is also proposing a new eight-year initiative to continue the state’s clean vehicle rebates and spur more infrastructure investments. This $2.5-billion initiative will help bring 200 hydrogen fueling stations and 250,000 zero-emission vehicle chargers, including 10,000 direct current fast chargers, to California by 2025.

    ZEV technologies include hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) and plug-in electric vehicles (PEVs), which include both pure battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs). According to the Auto Alliance ZEV sales dashboard, as of the end of October 2017, California had 176,681 battery-electric and fuel-cell vehicles—i.e., fully zero tailpipe emissions vehicles—on its roads. When plug-in hybrids are added, that brings the total to 337,483 units.

    So it looks like (337483 - 176681) / 337483 = 47% plug-in hybrids. Works for me but the hydrogen station plans ... not so good.

    Is that 200 on top of the ones already 'planned' and not built or have they rolled in the unconstructed hydrogen stations to a total of 200?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    There are approximately 3500 fuel cell vehicles leased and sold in 2015-2017. Perhaps there are 500 test mules and previous leases running around. That would bring the total fuel cell vehicles through december 31, 2017 around 2% of the of the zevs, or around 1% if you include phevs. My guess is fuel cells as a percentage will shrink quickly in the next 5 years as carb asks for more money because the fueling stations are more expensive and take more time to build than they projected. fcv are about 8% of what CARB predicted on the road by 2017 in 2009, and funding has been higher than they were asking when they made that prediction.

    There were approximately 765 thousand plug-ins from the major automakers sold between dec 1,2010 and december 31, 2017. It appears over 40% ended up in California.
     
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    AG- How many of those plug-ins/EV's are still on the road and where (what states)? Someone posted a quote from CleanTechnica suggesting even more concentration in Ca., but I have not seen it quoted since. Maybe the number was something like 70-75% of EV in Ca. actually on the road, but don't quote me.
     
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    Lots of the california leases end up in other states when they come off lease. It makes sense as california gets bigger rebates, which means dealers can get more used at a dealer in another state that can't provide the same discount for new. My guess would be well over 90% are still on the road. Those early roadsters, volts, and leafs are still kicking, unless they are totaled or launched into space, and I didn't count many roadsters. over 75% of plug-ins in the US are less than 4 years old.

    My guess is that 75% of EVs in California could have been sales and leases in january through april, just the early part of the year. Or it might have been 5 years ago when most didn't sell nation wide. There is a great deal of seasonality outside of california, where plug-in sales are concentrated at the end of the year. We have the california and the nationwide figures, I am surprised so many are initially sold or leased in california.
     
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