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Solar grand minimum

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    Source: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/aaa124/meta

    We have identified a sample of 33 Sun-like stars observed by the International Ultraviolet Explorer (IUE) with the short-wavelength spectrographs that have ground-based detections of chromospheric Ca ii H+K activity. Our objective is to determine if these observations can provide an estimate of the decrease in ultraviolet (UV) surface flux associated with a transition from a normal stellar cycle to a grand-minimum state. The activity detections, corrected to solar metallicity, span the range [​IMG], and eight stars have log [​IMG]. The IUE-observed flux spectra are integrated over the wavelength range 1250–1910 Å, transformed to surface fluxes, and then normalized to solar B − V. These normalized surface fluxes show a strong linear relationship with activity [​IMG] (R 2 = 0.857 after three outliers are omitted). From this linear regression we estimate a range in UV flux of 9.3% over solar cycle 22 and a reduction of 6.9% below solar cycle minimum under a grand minimum. The 95% confidence interval in this grand-minimum estimate is 5.5%–8.4%. An alternative estimate is provided by the IUEobservations of τ Cet (HD 10700), a star having strong evidence of being in a grand-minimum state, and this star's normalized surface flux is 23.0 ± 5.7% lower than solar cycle minimum.

    An interesting methodology, I think we are going to see 2050 - 2018 = 32 years or roughly 3, 11 year Sun cycles. It will be interesting if past spectral observations of solar output across the spectrum is consistent with their astronomical observations.

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    I've not read it and you have. Do authors predict sunspot numbers over next 3 cycles?
     
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    The Russian/Ukrainians did several years ago based on a statistical analysis and proposed solar mechanics model. I remain in a wait-and-see attitude. What this paper brings is astronomy observations.

    I haven’t gotten the paper, yet. But earth has an atmosphere and the proposed UV irradiance has me wondering.

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    About 3 groups have predicted about 3 low solar cycles going forward. A larger number of researchers are not predicting one way or the other.

    Solar UV varies much more than visible light over a cycle. This is old news but these authors may have put tighter limits on that.
     
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    Newsweek may not be a leading source for science in media but they mention:

    Sun's Solar Cycle Is Governed by the Alignment of the Planets, Scientists Discover

    This is related to a topic we discussed here earlier. That other planets by way of gravitational interactions have cyclic effects on earth's climate. Publications by Nicola Scafetta. This one is different in only addressing solar (magnetic) cycle.

    It does, apparently, support most recent NASA @5. That upcoming solar cycle will be similar to current one, and after that, ???
     
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    There were predictions that solar cycle 25 would be very weak. In addition to some very lurid clickable talk about another Dalton Minimum, new ice age, and like that, NASA expected SC25 to be a weak one.

    It is not turning out that way:

    Daily and monthly sunspot number (last 13 years) | SIDC
    https://helioforecast.space/solarcycle

    Provide many views of the action. If one single message emerges it is that SC25 will be of average (since 1750AD) intensity and maybe a little more.

    I certainly expect NASA to react to this by saying they under predicted SC25. Because that's how they are. I do not expect the gloom and doom and ice predictors to be as forthcoming. That's not how they are. Please post here any such that you find, because I'd love to be wrong about it.
     
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    Also for a few days more a very large sunspot is visible. Seven earth size. Take your thousand layers of eye protection and have a look.
     
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    If I remember correctly, there was a Russian paper predicting a reduced solar output over a decade ago. But it was wrapped in a claim that Earth's Global Warming was ending soon. The paper claimed analysis of some harmonic processes in the Sun but I did not get a warm feeling about the claim.

    We know from fusion progression the Sun will get warmer. Variations should exists but the magnitude claimed ... I remain open mind but so far, unconvinced.

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