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Check hybrid system warning after manifold cleaning

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  1. thomassurdi

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    I do wonder if maybe a coil went bad somehow. I don’t really see how that could have happened or why but it would explain the symptoms pretty nicely.
     
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    Oh I see which one the MAP sensor is. Yes I reconnected that.
     
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    That’s what I have (bit from a different seller):).

    As long as you have the laptop, you’ll be ok. More than likely, you’ll need to troubleshoot the connection once you have the software loaded.

    Good luck (y).
     
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    Ok, so i got my techstream today. Thankfully my girlfriend had an old laptop that still runs XP.

    I’ve added pictures of the codes I found here. One of them a says replace hybrid battery pack. Disheartening. However, on the freeze frame database screen it does show a misfire in one of the cylinders. I didn’t see a code for it though. The rest i assume were the MAF codes that needed to be cleared from not having it plugged in originally. (Or maybe the MAF sensors does needn’t on be replaced.)

    So here’s the big question:

    Could a misfiring cylinder due to a bad coil have run my battery down in turn triggering the replace hybrid pack code, or should I assume that I blew out the battery and get ready to bite the bullet to replace It?
     

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    The P3190 has a “snowflake” that will give you additional information ;).

    Did you click on that to see what would display?

    I’d also look at the fuel delivery as this code could point to the fuel pump.

    Glad to see Techstream is up and running (y).
     
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    This is the additional information for the P3190 code. It shows a misfire on cylinder one, but the misfire didn’t throw its own code. When I cleared the codes the engine started up for a few second went into gear, but then stalled. I wonder if a bad coil or plug Is causing the “replace hybrid pack” code because the engine Isn’t staying on long enough to charge the traction battery. Then again i guess it’s just as likely that driving the car in that condition somehow knocked the battery cells out of balance. Could a ban coil or plug be the cause of all this?
     

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    Not sure how relevant this is, but just FWIW:

    2-3 years ago on our Gen-2, I had the dealer do a throttle-body cleaning. After that, the check-engine light came on and the engine ran at fairly-high RPM pretty much continuously for the next hour or so. After that it was all fine.

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    Actually, thinking back, I think it was an injector/intake manifold cleaning. Sorry, it was a while back...

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    Thanks for the response, mr88cet. My car won’t actually drive at all before stalling, so I’m sure it’s a different issue. I’m about ready to concede that I need a new hybrid battery, and I’m shopping for deals. Would be great if it was something smaller, but I’m losing hope.
     
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    For sure invest in a dealership diagnosis, shouldn't be over $100. Plus tow.
     
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    Help refresh us on the troubleshooting you have done, mainly:

    • Have you cleaned the MAF sensor?
    • Have you changed the spark plugs?
    • Have you swapped coils?
    • Cleaned the throttle body?
    • How much gas is in your Prius?
    You have Techstream and don’t have a hybrid battery code showing:whistle:.

    I’d focus on what Techstream said and avoid starting the car as much as possible as the hybrid battery will continue to drain each time it is started ;).

    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    Did you use new gaskets when you put your car back together?

    I'm thinking a misfire because of a vacuum leak, intake manifold.

    MAF engines do not handle any type of external air leaks. Any air getting to the engine that does not go through the MAF can create a lean condition causing a misfire. Using my own logic it should be on multiple cylinders.
     
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    Thank you for trying to help. These are the answers to your questions:

    I did clean the MAF with MAF cleaner. Ordered a new one just in case.

    I have not changed the spark plugs.

    I have not swapped any coils.

    I did clean the throttle body with throttle body cleaner.

    The tank is almost completely full of gas.

    I actually do have code P0A80 —change hybrid pack

    I did put a new manifold gasket and it looks to be in place. Double checked.

    The hard idling seems to have stopped after I cleared the codes. Now it won’t go ito ready mode and just shuts off after a few seconds.
     
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    Since P0A80 has displayed:
    • Are there any other codes on the Hybrid ECU menu?
    • What is the readings on the live data for each block voltage?
    • Each block voltage internal resistance?
    • How much voltage is the entire pack reading?
    You also said that when you cleared the codes that the ones in the picture are what returned? If so, there is a fuel delivery issue or something where the air tonfuel ratio is out of whack or different than what the computers expect.
     
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    ^ Smoking gun is that it runs for a few seconds, and then shuts down?
     
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    I just did this to my gf's 2010 Prius yesterday: new PCV (horrible location design), EGR, intake manifold, throttle body, MAF, brake fluid flush. I had to pull a lot of cable wires. Almost similar symptoms you had experienced came on. Codes from my techstream:
    - P0A0F (Engine Failed To Start),
    - C2300 Actuator System Malfunction,
    - P0328 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit High Input,
    - P261c Coolant Pump 'B' Control Circuit Low.
    I retraced my steps and found 3 unplugged electrical wires off of one harness, that was located under the air intake tube/airbox. I am usually very thorough, there were no other extra parts when i concluded that project early AM. A lingering CEL stayed on my dash as I road tested it around the neighborhood at 40mph. I assumed the light would stop later. Hours later I drove the car on the highway (70mph) for 5 miles; stopped for dinner; then took off to an autoparts store up the road when Prius started to light up (yellow triangle, traction, brakes, NOT RTD), lose throttle and coast to deadstop. The battery was only draining down from full bars to 2bars; it never regenerated. At stop, we did have access to the rear trunk for tools.

    1- NEED AN OBD2 code reader to diagnose issues. Unfortunately many symptoms are shared with many diff problem codes. Symptoms can indicate many things. If you are trying to do your own work or even care to arm yourself with a baseline info before approaching a mechanic-- get an OBD2. Your needs have grown since you purchased the Prius years back.

    2- TRIPLE CHECK the reassembly work for electrical connectivity and ensure no extra parts remain and all things coupled and not dangling.

    I have learned to now have 2 cars to tinker with; when originally tinkering with my one daily driver overly stressed me
    patience & good luck!
     
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    Raytheeagle, there are no other codes on the hybrid ECU menu except “engine failed to start”. I’ll re-upload a picture of that code so you can check and see if that’s the menu tab you’re referring to, plus the info from the freeze data.

    Prius_angie I didn’t make it anywhere near as far as you did. Only down the street before I started having problems. I’m 99% certain everything is plugged back in correctly.
     

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    Psshhh, I put on a new PCV valve and oil catch can every oil change and my car runs great!
     
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    Is the hose to the PCV valve on properly?
     
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    Seriously??