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2007 Prius base, 62K miles P0A80, P3016, C1259, C1310

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by GKinslow, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. MelonPrius

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    While I empathize with the frustrations with needing a new battery so soon, I’ve read that nobody can accurately predict the future lifespan of a traction battery over 10 years old. And I haven’t seen reputable extended warranties that cover the traction battery and the related hybrid components.

    One can still have an independent party test the current state before purchasing, but I think many buyers skip that process. My personal belief is that many people sell their Prius when they sense the traction battery nearing the end of its life. So there’s always a buyer beware element with a 10+ year old Prius with its original battery on the market.

    I’m learning from GK’s experience and it’ll make me a more savvy buyer in the future. I hope this thread continues to be updated.
     
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    I'm pleased to report we just received a phone call from Ray Sanabia, the Cavender dealership general sales manager. He apologized for our situation, stating the failure shouldn't have occurred and Cavender is taking full responsibility for it. He stated they will contact Sterling McCall and authorize the installation of a new HV battery pack and a new 12V battery at no cost to us, then he asked if that's a satisfactory resolution for us. Yes, indeed! Cavender comes through! Once everything is in order, I'll follow up with a letter to Steve Cavender to express our appreciation for Sanabia's quick and decisive resolution and will be sure to give the dealership a positive yelp review.

    Again, many thanks to all of the participants on this thread for your wise counsel.

    Confirmed: Sterling McCall telephoned to advise us Cavender is picking up the bill for the HV and 12V batteries.
     
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    I guess if you make enough noise to the right person, things get done!
     
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    No, I prefer to believe if you have the conviction of your position and present the facts and persuade them that going the extra mile to earn customer goodwill will benefit them manyfold in the long run, you will succeed more often than not.
     
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    i wish we had a dealership like that around here.(y)
     
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    Were you able to determine the amount of money the dealer made off you from the trade in of the PO and warranty purchase? Was it more than the cost of the battery they are covering?
     
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    Trade in value was probably around $4.5k-$5k, as per kbb estimates in SA.

    GK, that's great news about the traction battery. I'd definitely put this car in an excellent deal category with a new OEM battery (get the warranty in writing and verify that it's not a rebuilt battery). You'll be able to drive this car for a long time or sell it for a small profit.
     
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    Oh yes, make sure they give you a new battery and not just a module swap to keep you quiet
     
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    JC91006, exactly what is it that has jerked your chain? Your posts are inappropriate, hostile and offensive. What’s your problem? Spit it out.
     
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    Nothing has jerked my chain, it's the response to what the other member mentioned about fixing your battery and not giving you a new one. If you've been here long enough, you'll read about this stuff happening and it's just watching out for your interest.

    You can read other comments by other posters, your dealer seems to have handled this situation much different than what seems to be normal. Maybe you had some leverage on them and they caved in. But nobody knows what you said to them to make them accommodate you. Maybe this dealer has morals....who knows.
     
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    That’s a load of BS. Your comments were directed at me and you seem to have a large chip on your shoulder. If you can’t contribute something positive, why don’t you just zip it?
     
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    which part was directed at you? The part that said to keep you quiet? I already mentioned you made more noise and you got the result you wanted. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. I don't think that's a false comment.

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the technique in which you've gone to get what you got from the dealer. It's just not something that happens very often. The detective work you did in getting down to all the facts worked in your favor. The dealer is still running a business, giving you a "fixed" battery would help their bottom line and you probably won't know any better if nobody mentioned it can happen.

    They took in 2 key fobs and gave you only 1. Do you think this is the only thing that happens at dealers?
     
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    Cavender isn't providing the battery. They authorized Sterling McCall to install a new HV battery and 12V battery. So who exactly is the beneficiary in the installation of a, as you say, "fixed" battery? To be honest, it wouldn't have really mattered to me if they had offered a reconditioned battery, but they didn't. Moreover, I don't know if the dealership would even be authorized to provide a "fixed" battery. And how does one "fix" a 12V battery? I didn't even expect the dealer to offer to replace that battery. Recall, please, I mentioned Cavender has a large presence and a reputation to defend.

    You asked how much did they make off of my warranty purchase. Re-read my earlier posts. I bought the extended warranty from my credit union, not Cavender. And they made no money from financing the car because we didn't finance it. We wrote a check on the spot.
     
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    Always wondered where all those used key fobs come from on fleeBay.
    If you have been here for a while you will get to know that JC has a healthy dose of scepticism, and flavours his responses. It may come across as personal, but you should not take offence at anything he has said. I am sure of this, he is not aiming anything at you personally. I wish I could say the same of other members who post here.

    Before this takes off, people should just take a breath.
     
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    I didn't know they were giving you a 12v battery on top of a new HV battery. I guess you struck the jackpot as they aren't even related and shouldn't fail together at the same time, but they are taking responsibility for it (probably cause you bought the extended warranty)

    Who is Sterling McCall? Normally the dealership's own service dept will install both batteries.

    It doesn't really matter what transpired in this transaction. Someone is on the losing end of the stick. I guess as long as it's not you, the guy buying a 11 year old hybrid. Why the heck do you think the PO got rid of it? So some lucky person can continue driving it for years and years trouble free?

    What I'm saying in a really bad way is you have to take the blame on some of this happening. An 11 year old hybrid for your daughter might not have been the best choice and they will break down mechanically at some point.
     
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    JC, did you even bother to read the thread at all? Because if you did, you would know why Cavender isn't replacing the parts. Why would my third party warranty have any bearing at all on the decision to replace the 12V battery? Why does someone have to be on the losing end of the stick? I met the PO. Had lunch with her. She's a charming person who wanted to buy a new Prius and was very helpful to me. Why should I, the buyer, take any blame for anything at all? And who are you to determine what's the best choice of a car for my daughter? You want to blame me for working to get the best possible deal on a purchase? Knock yourself out. You want to blame me for holding Cavender to account for a major component failure that they assured me would not occur? Knock yourself out. You want to blame me for the foolish decision to buy an 11 year old hybrid? If that makes you feel better, again, knock yourself out.

    I was looking at the car as a 62,000-mile gently used car with a battery generally capable of providing reliable service for 100K+ miles. I've learned something from this forum and for that I'm grateful.

    Sterling McCall is a large Toyota dealership in Houston, unrelated to the Cavender group of dealers. I researched the Houston Toyota dealerships and, based on reviews, believed Sterling McCall would provide the best service and so told my daughter to have the car transported to them. She contacted the extended warranty folks to advise them of the situation and get authorization for the transport. Sterling McCall received the car around 7pm Friday and commenced the inspection that evening. On Saturday they sent me an extensive workup. That afternoon I forwarded it to Cavender, having earlier unloaded on them in a phone conversation that morning. I spoke directly with my sales rep and his team leader and told them if they didn't remedy this situation my next step would be to go directly to the dealership owner. The next time I heard from Cavender was this morning, Monday, when the Cavender general sales manager contacted me. He said he learned of the problem on Saturday when the folks I talked to reported the conversation to him. He reviewed Sterling McCall's assessment over the weekend and contacted us with his proposed remedy, outright replacement of the failed HV battery and the 12V battery with new units. I specifically asked him if my Monday morning voicemail to Steve Cavender had any bearing on his decision to call me and he replied it was solely because of my Saturday phone call.

    That is the entire sequence of events, to the best of my recollection. Did I get lucky? You bet! But I had also done all of my research, reminded Cavender of our earlier difficulties and reminded them of our long-time relationship with the Cavender Audi dealership and left it in their hands for what I felt would be a reasonable resolution. They didn't let me down. And that's pretty much the size of it.

    But you, sir, your comments evince the sour attitude that someone always has to be the loser. What a sorry, cynical, sad way to view life.
     
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    I want to make this crystal clear to any doubters or skeptics. I didn't exercise any leverage or attempted extortion or anything else of that nature. Sometimes one has to dig a little bit to find the right person. In my case, the dealership owner did contact me after the fact to ensure I, like any other valued customer, was satisfied. So, yes, shocker, this dealership has morals. It's just good business.
     
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    Whatever you did in this transaction got their attention. Maybe others can learn from what you did and get the dealer to own up to their promises when selling a used car.

    Are you a lawyer? Someone really important? This is definitely a first to hear of a big dealership's owner to call a customer to address their concerns. They've gone above and beyond here, a refreshing change to the dealership stereotype.
     
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    Yes I think you are right with "someone always has to be the loser" in a transaction where something goes wrong. Even in this transaction, someone had to lose out. In the spirit of good business and great customer service for potential future business, you ended up with the long side of the stick.

    Many good businesses practice this great customer service. It's just very uncommon for a car dealership to be doing such moral practices.
     
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    It must be a little different in TX, as I'm not used to reading about people buying cars and the new owner searches out the PO to have lunch with them. Here where I grew up, in California, people probably are not as friendly. Maybe it's my age and what I've experienced that has given my unique view on life.

    I'm not here on this forum to knock anybody. It's a community where people give advice to people asking for advice. If you would've come here before buying the car and asked " is it wise to buy an 11 year old Prius for my daughter", chances are you would get many responses about avoiding such a purchase unless you're prepared to buy a new battery in the near future.

    The important thing here is you got yourself a nice car, with low miles, and now 2 brand new batteries. Unless something really unfortunate happens, this car should be able to last you another 10 years with minimum maintenance and repairs.
     
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