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BRAKE, (!), and ABS on dashboard

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by AnemoneSam, Jan 6, 2018.

  1. AnemoneSam

    AnemoneSam Junior Member

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    Hi everyone!

    I am having trouble with my 2005 prius. Odometer reads 96046. I bought the car a little over a year ago, so I am not sure if the 12v has been replaced.

    the "maint reqd" and check engine lights were on before I left for a 7 day trip (I am completing an oil change today). The check engine light read out was P1121 before I left for my trip. This means the Coolant Flow Control Valve Position Sensor was stuck. I have been planning to replace this part myself as described in another thread here. Unfortunately, I do not have my OBDII sensor with me now, so I cannot check the codes.

    Now on to the new stuff. I left my car in a parking lot for 7 days while I was away on vacation. When I came back, I started the car and the "brake", (!), and "ABS" lights came on immediately. I drove the car home with headlights on (20 miles), and I didn't notice any problems with braking. After reading a few threads here, I thought it might be the 12v battery. After letting the car sit in the driveway overnight, I got these readings with a multimeter.

    car off: 12.45v
    car off, headlights on: 11.9v

    I am really hoping the 12v is the problem, as I am planning to leave for a road trip this afternoon.

    Any advice? What should I do next?

    Thank you!
     
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    That indicates that your 12 V is getting weak. Weak enough to cause a false failure report from the ABS system......maybe not.

    Even if there IS a fault in the ABS system, the brakes will still work without ABS.
    Probably not enough time to explore fixes before your trip, just drive extra careful.
    Hope there is no ice or snow on the route.
     
  3. Patrick Wong

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    It is not likely that the 12V battery, although marginal, is causing the BRAKE, ABS and ((!)) lights to turn on.

    I think it is a bad idea to go on a road trip with a vehicle that has a known fault logged by the skid control ECU. Read the DTC and figure out what is wrong with the car. Rent another vehicle if necessary for your trip.
     
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    Although I wish it were mentioned here more often, there is a feature Toyota built in for you just because braking is so important: you do not need any special code reading equipment to get the basic diagnostic codes from the skid control ECU. If you search around here for posts on how to jumper the Tc to the CG pin at the diagnostic connector and count the blinks of the dash lights, you can find posts with pictures and details, and get two-digit versions of the trouble codes that way. You can find all the details about it in the repair manual too, of course.

    (If you have appropriate code-reading equipment, you can get more-specific trouble codes and a lot of additional information, but this makes sure you can pull out the basic information right away wherever you are, as long as you can find a skinny piece of wire or a paper clip.)

    -Chap
     
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    Thanks everyone!

    I do need more time to explore problems/fixes, so I will be taking a different car today.

    I have heard of the wire method, but I am having trouble finding the specific thread addressing it. Any search terms that I could use?

    I have an excellent dealership down the road, so I am going to take it there this afternoon for a diagnostic since I am running out of time. I will let you guys know what they say.
     
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    Just got off the phone with the dealership. They said that the stuck coolant flow control valve was feeding back to the ABS system, and that once the valve is replaced the brake system indicators will turn off. They quoted me $595 to replace the valve, so I'll be doing it myself per the instructions on this forum.

    Hope that fixes it! I'll keep this updated.
     
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    I disagree with the diagnosis stated above. The ABS system is totally unrelated to the engine coolant system.
     
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    Did they include the ABS code(s) in their report? The skid control ECU does have some codes that merely indicate it has been notified of an issue by another ECU.

    -Chap
     
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    Hi everyone, I just wanted to give an update. I replaced the coolant control valve, the coolant, and completed an oil change. I have had no problems since then.

    Very happy with my DIY fix!
     
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    Sorry but that is NOT a fix.......for the reported problem.
    It is just a huge, unfortunate coincidence.

    The original problem likely will be back.......relatively soon.
     
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    Sam was right! It's back!

    I would like to avoid taking my car back to the dealership for a diagnostic, given that they told me that nothing was wrong last time I took it in.

    My 12v battery reads...
    12.5v with a multimeter after sitting in the driveway overnight
    12.2v in the acc mode via the MFD
    11.8v with the headlights on and engine off on the MFD

    Would you guys recommend any diagnostic tools I could invest in to avoid going to the dealership for codes? I have an OBDII that I have used to read check engine codes, but it does not work for this.
     
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    As far as your 12 V battery is concerned, 12.5 V represents 60% SoC assuming it is an OEM AGM battery. The only thing that you could do for it is charge it up and test it again. An AGM battery in good condition and fully charged should have a voltage of 12.9-13.2 V.

    So, you are going to have to let go of the notion or hope that it is only the 12 V battery that is the cause of your issues.

    Diagnostic tool:
    • VxDaig Nano for Toyota;
    • Tactrix Openport 2.0 made in California;
    • Mini VCI.
    All of these are J2534 cables that connect your OBDII port on your car to your USB port on your laptop. All these are compatible with Toyota's Techstream, which can be downloaded free with a $55 2 (business) day subscription to Toyota's Technical Information System (TIS) website. The subscription also gives you full access to the entire Toyota technical library which includes the Repair Manual (RM), New Car Features (NCF) manual, Electrical Wiring Diagram (EWD).

    The Tactrix Openport is designed and made in California if you are inclined to support local industry. With the first two options, be sure that you are buying the genuine article and not a clone or counterfeit.

    Other options are a bluetooth dongle paired with:
    • Torque Pro app (paid for ($5) not the free Torque) (Android)
    • Hybrid Assistant app and Hybrid Analyst app (Android);
    • EngineLink app (Apple);
    Check on the developer website for what bluetooth (or WiFi) dongles are compatible with their apps. Not all dongles are equal.
     
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    Also for the easy-to-obtain tool list:

    • A short piece of skinny wire

    If a quick search on Tc CG count blink codes doesn't get you twenty or more threads telling you the details, I'll be surprised.

    -Chap
     
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    Please clarify: what's back, which lights?

    That's not bad, a little low but not terrible. You could try a smart charger session, something in 3~4 amp range.
     
  15. AnemoneSam

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    Thanks for all of the great information! I will look into those diagnostic tools and the paperclip method.

    The dash lights are: "brakes", "(!)", and "abs"

    I have been driving with no problem (I wish I could afford a rental car until I fix the problem, but I just can't). The MPG seems to be lower than normal.