Jaguar I-Pace by Tesla Owner

What car would that be?

 

See my play on words in post 18.

 

My 1999 Plymouth Prowler was an experiment with aluminum back in the day. Aluminum frame, aluminum body, engine and transmission. Only weighed 2,800 lbs.

When wrecked with bent frames they total them. The frames were made with Alcoa aluminum.

 

Oh the irony, clear prejudice against India, yet total loyalty to a carney barker, a guy that held millions of PayPal accounts hostage, who is now running an automotive Ponzi scheme of epic proportions, selling unobtanium and accepting deposits, leveraging those deposits to continue the Ponzi scheme.

BTW, what’s the P/E ratio of Tsla ?

Bravo to Jaguar, bravo to Tata’s, moving forward, honestly, no unobtanium involved.

 

i figure peeps with jaguars, land rovers and the like have plenty of cars in their stable, and someone to take them to the dealer every few days.

 

Interesting that the name Tesla should once again be associated with a battle of emerging tech.....

As for me, I can only speak for the humble folks in the <$50,000 car market.
I know there aren't very many of us left, but MY number one concern when I buy a car is NOT how cushy the cabin is but rather how many times I'm going to have to call a tow truck......FOLLOWED by how many times I'm going to have to break out a set of Craftsman tools and a Fluke multimeter to keep from having to call a tow truck.
Out the door cost and fuel efficiency are also in the top 5, as is a same-day 0-60 time.
There is NO WAY....NO DAY that I will put a Jaguar in my driveway (even if I could afford one) because they have something that Fiat and Renault have and Tesla is still in some danger of acquiring...which is the stench of unreliability.
Having a mechanically/electrically unreliable car is acceptable in the case of das Volksvagen, because there are about 700 dealerships in the US which means that when something goes awry there a reasonable chance that you might be near a dealership with a less than 30 day waiting period for the part that just broke.

Reputations are sometimes not earned 'fairly' but they have a way of always being somewhat durable.

I'm glad that the EV400 is out there, and I'm looking forward to see how id does in a 15-round match but I'm going to let the early adopters continue to fund the $20,000 BEV with 500 mile range.

....for now......

 

i doubt the irony was unplanned.

 

Were the frames welded or riveted? I think with a riveted frame there would be ample opportunity for drill out and replace. Just speculation, however. Airframes, you know, are typically riveted.

 

This is from the Prowler forum I belong to.

Body Materials

The Prowler is a rolling celebration of new technology and materials. Staying true to its hot-rod roots, however, Prowler's architecture remains body-on-frame, and the top priorities - rigidity, strength yet light in weight - were all met with the use of tommorow's material's technology.

Sections are joined by slip-in Node and Clevis castings which are MIG welded, as are the various brackets and mounts. The robotic welding is so precisely executed that each bead has an almost jewel-like quality to it. Two alloys are used, 6061 and 6063, both in T6 temper (which is well into the hardness and strength end of the aluminum designation scales). These are expensive alloys, but relatively easy to form - and they can be further hardened to near steel equivalency through "heat aging" as well as other ways. The two alloys lend themselves to the creation of "crush" zones, and the wrinkled "dimple" near the front of the frame also collapses under impact. Provisions for the cockpit take up slightly more than the center third of Prowler's frame, assuring passenger room aplenty, and full compliance with federal safety mandates, including dual air bags* and side-impact protection.


Facts & Stats ProwlerOnline.Com Plymouth/Chrysler Prowler Owners Association

 

After looking at photos of the Prowler frame, I can see why a full replacement would be needed if bent. The type of material used is not easily straightened. Some Corvettes have the same issue. Aluminum in the 6000 series of alloy is very strong and durable. But it does not lend itself to being pounded into shape. Most parts made out of such materials are billet or are cast or extruded. The Prowler with a hard top is a great looking car, btw.

 

love the people - hate the cruelty ......... but maybe some have never experienced India sweatshops;



It's not usually conducive to quality. Sorry if the entire quality issue was not adequately articulated.
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Many cars are totaled not because they can't be fix, but because of the cost to do so. There are likely very few body shops out there with the means to properly repair a bent aluminum frame.

Riveting is typically used because getting it isn't as easy to get a good weld in aluminum as in steel. The oxide layer that protect aluminum from corrosion interferes in the welding, and you get more welds in aluminum that don't pass inspection than in steel. The same might be true for stainless steel. There might be other advantages to rivets for an aircraft.

A few years ago, GM patented a welder for aluminum that will reduce the cost of using the material. The welder tips scratch the oxide, resulting in more good welds.

 

Wonder what Cannonball Run times would be in this?

 

compared to the model 3 Cannonball record? It would be horrible! After all, the Jaguar does almost 100 miles less before it has to recharge. It probably can't even go that far, if there aren't any chargers for it nearby. If the charger is in the ideal place, it might be occupied, or broken, or iced. Bottom line, the more you drive, the faster you get there. 300 miles vs 200 miles range. You don't even have to consider how much faster the model 3 charges versus the Jaguar.
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And that, my friends, is why AT THE PRESENT TIME, a plug-in hybrid or even pure hybrid, is superior to ANY electric car without a range extender.

 

And that attitude my friends is why all of us will die sooner from effects of cancer and other environmental maladies as a result of increased greenhouse gasses caused by the Internal Combustion Engine.

 

looks like there are 100's of 1,000 's of deposit holders who might not agree with that notion ....
baaah - what do they know

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And they are happily cruising all over the US, from coast to coast and border to border, in approximately the same elapsed time as the average family, but with more money left in their pocket.

 

more money in the pocket? really? Well golly, lemmy check; a google search says .....
The record Cannonball (model 3) run cost the drivers $100 at the superchargers.

Tesla Model 3 Completes Cannonball Run in 50 Hours, $100.95 Charging Costs - autoevolution

A high mileage hybrid? Certainly if it's blasting across the US - it won get near its epa #'s but let's imagine it still gets 50mpg. And even tho the Cannonball run is OVER 2,800 miles, to further help boost the hybrid's theoretical cross country record, let's say it's only 2800 miles.
SO - one 'MIGHT' just only burn 56 gallons of gas in the hybrid - under good conditions.
Divide your 56 gallons of gas (again - discounting accelerated oil change time/cost to help the hybrid look better) into the Model
3's $100 electricity cost - to do the hybrid's Cannonball ..... the per gallon gasoline cost needs to be only $1.78 per gallon

Unfortunately - checking last month's average cost for regular gas;
That gas cost was $2.85 per gallon for regular .... (& we'll live somewhere in la-la land so that gas will never go back up to $4 a gallon again)
AAA Gas Prices

Gosh - running the #'s .... the hybrid seems to be over 36% more costly to do a cannonball run.
But it really doesn't matter that the model 3 ended up whooping arss on the driving cost, because who blazes across the Nation on an even remotely regular basis. We all know that 99% of driving is local. And your model 3's 300 + mile range may be driven on your home's solar, in which case it cost you nothing for fuel - if your panels are fully amortized, which ours were - after less than 6 years ...... not to mention free power for the home now.
Hey! maybe someday we can all have refineries & oil dericks in our backyard, to curtail funding terrorism, respiratory disease costs & gulf spills ... wouldn't that be great?
(please excuse me for being silly - hybrids ARE ok)
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