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LDA Does Not Pick Up Lane Info Correctly

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by namespacestd, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. alanclarkeau

    alanclarkeau Senior Member

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    I checked mine extensively today - it's nothing like yours. At a constant 62 MPH, it should be working fine, and it should kick in at much lower speeds than that (32 MPH it says in Manual). There are a few things listed in the manual which must have something to do with the LDA - headlights, grille, suspension and windscreen - ie, not just windscreen:

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    Has the dealer checked for malfunctions in the Computer? Being intermittent, I'd be suspecting a hardware or software fault.

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    In relation to RADAR Cruise - in the Manual it indicates that it uses the Camera Sensor as well - which is why I asked whether RADAR Cruise was working properly. I could be wrong - but if so, I'm not sure why they mention the Camera Sensor. (Similarly it mentions it for PCS.)

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    So here's a thing that might be relevant...

    On my previous car I had to hide my dash cam wire behind the plastic cover that fits over all the electronic stuff around the mirror (LDA camera, rain sensors etc). This cover included an internal shroud that fitted around the LDA camera. I hadn't pushed it back snug to the glass, so there was a gap at the front edge big enough to fit my little finger in.

    This really messed up my LDA, due to it letting light in that was reflecting onto the camera.

    If the glass has been replaced and is a slightly different shape it could be something as simple as this.

    Check the camera is properly shrouded right up to the glass.

    Pixel 2 ?
     
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    This sounds like another good case for @Prius Team but they seem to have left us alone. Does Toyota USA need to get involved in this saga?
     
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    I think you need to give up on this.......and spend your time and effort somewhere else.
    You can demand but some things just aren't possible.

    If the windshield indeed was replaced, then you likely are screwed......unless you want to pay a dealer to install a "real" Toyota replacement.......to try and fix a feature that is of questionable value in the first place.
     
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    Good point mentioning the camera installation.
    Now that I look at it, it seems to be too high that the view at the top might be slightly blocked.
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    Comparing to another Prius I randomly found,
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    It seems like the camera installation positions are definitely not the same. Do you think this might be the problem?
     
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    Only thing is - why does it work after the first few minutes?

    This is mine - excuse the dust on the windscreen, my neighbour just mowed!!
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    Here's mine. That was taken with me standing straight up in front of my car, legs pressed against the front, camera at eye level. I'm just under 6 foot tall. You can clearly see that the whole camera, including the white surround, is visible.

    EDIT: To me - your camera looks too far back?
     

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    Thank you for your valuable input! This is really helpful.
    My guess would be "establishing the understanding of current travel direction in relation with the road" (when the system starts to be functional) is on a different stage, comparing to "updating the model as I continue to drive". Thus, the initial confusion of information (maybe a black strip at the top of the image) prevents the system from understanding the road condition, but once it is established by chance, tracing the road marks requires only a subset of information, the un-intervened part, so it works consistently reliable.
     
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    Thanks so much. I think it's clear at this point that the camera on my car is installed too high, and the view could be blocked (to be tested). I will bring this up to the dealer. Thanks!
     
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    Here's another measurement, although it's very hard to see due to reflections...

    If I rest my fist on the front edge of the bonnet/hood, and then rest my chin on top of my fist, then the middle of the camera perfectly intersects the inner edge of the blacked out area that's stuck to the glass where the camera looks through.
     
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    Yep, mine is the same (though I think I ended up a bit to the side)
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    And yes - it looks too far back - and maybe slightly to the side. So the camera might not be getting a good view. But that doesn't explain why it's OK after a few miles?
     
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    I'm not sure if Post #28 is quoting something official or not, but if it is that would explain why it starts to work after some time.
     
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    Your camera most definitely looks like it is not installed properly. The dealership that "calibrated" it must be an absolute total joke. It's clearly too high.

    Unfortunately it probably will need to be calibrated once moved into the correct location.
     
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    OR.....the cutout in the windshield tinting is not positioned properly.
    If the windshield really has been replaced, I think THAT is much more likely.
     
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    Did a brief search and it seems the camera is not only used for the LDA but for Pre-Collision was well (radar returns and changes in image size of vehicle ahead). I view the Pre-Collision system as a critical item over the LDA so keep leaning on the dealer...
     
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    It's also used for pedestrian detection.
     
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    I believe that's its main role in aeb. The radar handles everything else (so it can't be relied on to prevent you driving into a wall for example.)
     
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    Hi I would like to thank everyone for providing the insights and even photos to help me troubleshooting here. The dealer I bought the car from has agreed to pay to replace the windshield to a Toyota windshield and calibrate the camera again to make this right. I will continue to update the issue here when there's progress.
     
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    GREAT news.

    Just remember that the accuracy of the "lane keeping" depends on the quality of the lane markings.
    As such, it should NOT be relied upon as a "driving aid" but used as an extra warning device.
     
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    Final update: the problem is fully resolved now by replacing the windshield and recalibrating the camera. I could not have identified the problem without everyone's help here. And huge thanks to the friends who posted photos, those really helped a lot. Fun fact, the most challenging part of this process is not to ask the dealer I bought the car from to pay for everything but to convince the Toyota dealer technicians that there actually is a problem. Most of them seem not to know how the system is supposed to function.