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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by SteveMucc, Nov 26, 2018.

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    Looks like the Camry will be down 40k this year, or 100k from a peak 3 years ago. 2017 is the first year that Rav4 sales exceeded Camry, and already exceed it by 60k this year. Last gen Rav is beating the greatly improved, brand new Camry. 2019, the Rav will have those improvements.
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    The story is repeated for the Accord and CR-V, and with the Malibu and Equinox.

    Small SUVs are taking over the midsize sedan market share. The numbers for some sedans are still impressive, only if you ignore their past amounts.

    But the Malibu isn't being cancelled. The Impala is, and its sales have taken a nose dive. Goodcarbadcar has 0 for October sales. 2018 might not even get to half of 2016 numbers. The Taurus dropped even worse. The Avalon's numbers aren't that great either; the Impala outsells it. Without the ES to share costs and help prop it up, the Avalon may have gone the way of the Impala and Taurus. Still may considering the combine sales of it and the ES likely won't reach 90k this year.

    The Cruze sedan once outsold the Malibu, but its, and the Focus', numbers have been dropping over the past few years, and those total include the hatchback sales. The Corolla numbers have also been dropping, they've just started from a much higher point than the other two.

    In the Model 3's case, there is pent up demand for a long range BEV with charging infrastructure. Then it doesn't have a SUV competitor. Ignoring Tesla's issues with logistics, the Model Y would have done better if it had arrived first. There will likely be a drop in Model 3 sales when it does arrive.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    And what an ending.

    Offsides decides the last play :cool:.

    But as a Steelers fan, typical Mike Tomlin game to a “T”.

    Maybe we’ll go the route of the Packers:whistle:.

    This Steelers fan is holding out hope for that(y).
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    1st offsides - 3 seconds on clock, ball misses uprights, and defense penalty, replay last down but 5 yards closer.

    2nd offsides - 0 seconds on clock, ball is blocked, and defense penalty, replay last down but another 5 yards closer.

    3d offsides - 0 seconds on clock, ball kicked behind the defense player and through the uprights. Penalty declined and tied game over.

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    they should have given tomlin the mccarthy treatment, but at half time
     
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    couldn't agree more. not sure what model y is going to be, but if model 3 had been a small hatch, i would have been on the waiting list. i haven't driven a sedan in 14 years, except y wife's, who still prefers them.
     
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    Since I got rid of the Allante and the Vettes, all I ever drive are sedans.
     
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    Like those that drive a manual, you will become a minority at this rate.
     
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    is the volt a sedan?
     
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    Technically, a hatchback, but it is built on a line that predominately makes sedans.

    While the factories that makes these models are closing is a bad sign, has GM formerly announced that the models in question will be cancelled in the US?
     
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    As Charlie in the middle, Volt owners have options:
    2014 BMW i3-REx 2018 Volt 2017 Prime EPA metric
    1 150 mi 420 mi 640 mi total range
    2 72 mi 53 mi 25 mi EV range
    3 2.6 gal/100 mi 2.4 gal/100 mi 1.9 gal/100 mi fuel efficiency
    4 29 kWh/100 mi 31 kWh/100 mi 25 kWh/100 mi EV efficiency

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    More for me.
     
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    maybe hunday will get it in gear and step into the fray
     
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    My parents recently bought one, so have to mention:

    2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV
    Total Range: 630 mi
    EV Range: 29 mi
    Fuel Efficiency: 1.9 gal/100mi
    EV Efficiency: 28 kWh/100mi

    2019 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid



     
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    they must have thought prime was more viable than volt
     
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    Meant that they bought a 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV.
     
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    sorry, i meant hunday:cool:
     
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    The specs look good just I was looking at cars I have versus the Volt and not a general survey. BTW, I did test drive an Ioniq Blue which has a stepped transmission.

    My understanding is in EV mode, the Ioniq still shifts between a subset of the gears. Being fond of the Toyota eCVT and single gear BMW i3-REx, I'm not fond of gear shifts. Still, my personal preference and understand others may not care or even like it.

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Looking at the current offering of new plug-in hybrids, I surveyed the 2018-2019 models. I left the Volt out:

    i3-REx Kia Niro Ioniq Prime metric
    1 35 MPG 46 MPG 52 MPG 54 MPG gas MPG
    2 2.9 gal/100mi 2.2 gal/100mi 1.9 gal/100mi 1.9 gal/100mi gas/100 mi
    3 109 MPGe 105 MPGe 119 MPGe 133 MPGe electric MPGe
    4 31 kWh/100mi 32 kWh/100mi 28 kWh/100mi 25 kWh/100mi kWh/100 mi
    5 180 mi 560 mi 630 mi 640 mi total range
    6 97 mi 26 mi 29 mi 25 mi EV range

    Bob Wilson