Does Toyota See the Future?

Sandy Munro said some Japanese companies bought his Model 3 report.

Bob Wilson

 

I'm hoping a whole bunch of people did, and start using that info to jump start their own EV plans.

 

I talked with a friend that is a sales manager at a local Toyota dealership in NorCal (bought my Prime from him). He said there is a shortage of the Prius and their dealership is sold out and can't get any more (Rav 4 hybrid too).

 

true. they shipped too many to the northeast where no one wants them, and they have to discount 8k just to get them off the lots

 

Why do you continue to post misleading claims?

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=36273890&mkId=20088&prMx=25000&rd=500&searchSource=QUICK_FORM&stkTypId=28880&zc=02101

That search clearly confirms you are exaggerating facts.

 

that's before negotiations. see the prime pricing thread, and wake up and smell the coffee

and look at how many they have in stock!

if they were in cali, they'd be sold by now. if only for the hov stickers

and they are really going to suck wind in ma now that the PHEV tax credit is kaput

 

Now if only the used price would reflect that and the tax credit and depreciation. (My aged Cobalt needs a replacement but that’s a ways to drive)

Anyway What is happening in the northeast is similar to the Volt in some areas circa late 2013.

See how it plays out

 

should be able to pick up an early edition plus for around 10k, but i haven't looked

 

Why doesn't Toyota ship the cars to Cali from other states that have a surplus?

 

it's top-secret, i can't even speculate, it makes no sense. must be a good reason though,
they keep replenishing the northeast after people come here from all over the country to get the best deals, while cali suffers with no stock

 

Do you see any similar killer price trends for regular Prii or Camry Hy?

 

I live in Southern California (92346) and a search for advanced Prius Prime had two about 70 miles away in Southern California, three about 200 miles away in Central California and ten about 350 miles away in Northern California. Three weeks ago I went to my local dealer to look at the 2019 Prius. The salesman told me that they had NO new Prius of any type on the premises. In early spring 2018 I counted 23 new Prius Primes on their lot. There were many regular Prius. Something strange is happening regarding Prius in California.

 

My local dealers are loaded up with cars except Prius and rarely have I seen a Prime.

 

I believe each area of carb has its own individual manufacturer plug in mandates and reimbursements that vary significantly and can be rather large on the manufacturers side
(aka not fully transparent to the consumer) ,

Parts of IL (like Normal) for example have very steep local rebates for sales in that city only.

I also know that starting this last year California’s manufactures reimbursements and how they count plug ins (quota) changed requiring a bigger battery to get the full reimbursement which affected how the Volt and assumably all other PHEVs were counted. For example a car like the original PIP, I do not think would be counted by Cali as a plug-in, under the new rules, while historically it would have.

Also occasionally local utilities give kickbacks to the manufacturer, in my state that is the only “credit” you might be able to get, in other areas the cash is to the dealer to drive a discount.

So the answer is, it’s complicated and specific sometimes right down to a particular dealer.

Fair, nope but good reason to have a unified federal program instead of the patchwork we have today.

Although it does give folks a rockn deal that know where to go.

 

Taking a real-world example and making it into a generalization is unacceptable. Don't feed the trolls.

 

Looks like Nissan sees something. It's just a concept at a car show, but still notable.

 

i haven't seen anything, but have not looked specifically. in the prius pricing thread, the deals look pretty average.
i can only guess that toyota gets carb credits from prime, but why they would want to sell so many in the northeast at big discounts vs cali at small to none, i'm not sure

 

you're statements are too ambiguous to understand. i'm stating facts based on the reality of the prime pricing thread and real owners experiences.
you're welcome to bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.
otherwise, tell us why there are so many primes in the northeast, and so few in cali

 

New Prius and Prime availability, within a 100 mile radius from where I am, is 422 units according to Autotrader listings and they just had an almost month long Toyotathon. If one wants a new one, this is the area to buy from. In the meantime, I see Teslas all over the place.

 

I'm the one providing specifics, drawing attention to particular markets & customers. Not wanting to acknowledge the bigger picture is you. The pricing thread is not a reflection of the mainstream audience, especially when it comes to early rollouts being misrepresented.

Again, Toyota is still in that stage. We still await open-market rollout.