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Discussion in 'Prime Technical Discussion' started by CEJ, May 13, 2019.

  1. Salamander_King

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    In my case, I try to tail gait a school bus. Get best EV range when I do. lol:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    I think I am finally catching up with everyone. Have now observed the regeneration with foot off throttle or very gently applied. Is the reason coasting is more efficient than ordinary braking for regeneration because it is essentially like a very gentle drawn-out braking?
     
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    As long as you don't engage the friction brakes, any deceleration including light use of the brake pedal will recapture energy to the traction battery. Coasting just lets you do this without using the brake pedal. The Hybrid Assistant app has a display showing whether you are engaging the friction brake, and with a bit of practice you can use the brake pedal and not use the friction brakes. You can also feel when the friction brakes apply, again with a bit of practice.
     
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    Where do I get the app?
     
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    The app is available in Google app store for free. It's available only for Android. If you are iPhone user, you can't use it. AFAIK, there isn't anything close to it available for iPhone. I have dedicated Android phone without any personal info I use just for the car since some of the apps can snoop your phone data. You will also need a OBDII bluetooth dongle. Some cheap one supposed to work as well, but may be slow or have some problem. I got OBDLink LX. It works very well with other apps as well.

    Hybrid Assistant - Apps on Google Play
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    Guess I am out of luck for now as an iPhone guy. BTW in the Energy Monitor screen I don't believe I have ever seen the electric motor icon light up, whereas the engine icon lights up whenever it's operative. Seems strange. Does this agree with what you have observed?
     
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    Get a used Android tablet. Cheap enough and the screen is decent size. I use a Samsung Galaxy 4 tablet.
     
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    I don't remember now, but according to the manual I posted on #155 MPG in Hybrid Mode | Page 8 | PriusChat the observation is correct. While both battery and engine color changes are described, there is nothing about motor color.
     
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    I have noticed that in the Energy Monitor there are times when the engine icon is unlit but there is a lit arrow coming out of lit with a moving dot in the direction of the motor and battery. I assume this means the engine is charging the battery but not providing energy to the wheels for propulsion. Sound right?
     
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    You mean "coming out of engine" in your sentence?
     
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    Yes, coming out of the engine icon. There are, l think, three arrows coming out of the engine icon, two directed toward the wheels and one directed along the line of the motor and battery. Sometimes they are all lit up and also the engine icon, but not always. BTW I am driving in HV mode with nonzero SOC but don't know if that makes any difference. Pardon the typo.
     
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    I tried to take a pic of what you have described. Sorry for the glare. "The engine icon is unlit but there is a lit arrow coming out of the engine with a moving dot in the direction of the motor and battery." Is this what you are talking about? If so, this happened during the engine warm-up when I switched from EV MODE to HV MODE with still some EV SOC remaining. I think it just means the Engine is not up to the operational temp yet, but sending some amount of energy to the motor and wheel since I have switched to HV. This is the lag period I have talked about that any combination of EV icon on-off Engine on-off can happen.

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    gliding is more efficient than coasting. hence the 'pulse and glide' technique
     
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    What I observed happened after I was already driving and firmly in HV mode for at least a mile or so (although I guess the engine could still have been warming up). Also, your picture shows an orange line out to the right wheel, which I didn't see, just the one toward the motor. I'll watch again and see if it happens after driving longer. I need to get more tech-savvy! Are you taking your cool pictures with an iPhone and somehow uploading them to this website?
     
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    That sound like a different situation than the pic I took today. I am currently in perfect condition to extend EV range. Temp in 50-70, no AC or heat, and I don't have a carpool passenger and I am not sharing my PRIME with my wife anymore. Thus I have been doing mostly EV drive for my daily commute, and have not done too much HV drive lately. Next time when I take a longer trip, I will watch for the instance you have described.

    My phone is an Android phone but you can do the same with iPhone. You just use the "Upload a File" icon at the bottom right of the comment box to upload the photo you have in your phone or up in the cloud.
     
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    Sounds good. Will look forward to any insights you come up with in the future. And I will keep looking--maybe even take a picture. Yeah, I remember your being an Android guy. The weather here is similarly nice. A few days ago after fully charging, I had a GOM reading of 39.5mi, a record for me, I think. The car was initially zero SOC and took on over 7KWH of charge. Temperature is really important!
     
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    Can you explain the difference between "gliding" and "coasting" for the uninitiated? Am guessing "pulse and glide" means just tapping the throttle a bit from time to time.
     
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    That's a fantastic number. I looked at my record, but my highest was 34.9 miles on GOM last summer. I never broke the 35 miles barrier. That was until this morning. For the first time, I got over 35 miles on GOM and maybe still climbing. The actual EV range today was very close to that number. I need only a few more miles to complete my daily commute all on EV. In the past two years, I have done that only twice.

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    gliding is when you are in between regenerative braking and using electricity to propel the car. it is what happens in neutral, but many don't like switching in and out of neutral, but it is very difficult to do with the accelerator pedal.
    it is more efficient because any region is losing some power to heat waste, and sing electrical to slightly propel the car is pointless when you're trying to slow down. but using a tiny bit of electricity is more efficient than regen, so i try to keep it just above the regen line.
     
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