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HV Battery wrong voltages on Torque

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  1. Jorge P

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    I have a 2008 (2nd. gen prius) the red triangle started to show up. Torque shows very low voltage on block#1 and very high on bloock#2... After taking the battery apart, each cell shows 7.8 Volts. Jim suggested I change the harness wire #2. I just did that but the error continues the same, red triangle and low voltahe bloock1 high voltage block2... I did find some light corrotion on some pins in the ecu. I cleaned those but nothing changes... Could it be the ECU or another electronic component. Thank you all.
     

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    No, not likely.

    Test those 4 modules under load, or charge them all (all 28 modules) up to 8.5 V and then let them sit for a week. Good modules should be around the same voltage at the end of a week. Poor performing modules will be significantly lower than the rest.
     
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    If you place your battery so the sensor harness is toward you, the sensor tab #1 on the far left is connected to the (-) end of the battery. That is your zero/ground reference. The next tab (#2 sensor tab) should measure the combined voltage of Module 1 + Module 2 voltages. That's the block 1 voltage. It's showing 2 volts. There is something wrong with that measurement circuit. Block 2 displayed voltage is going to be the difference between Sensor tab #3 and Sensor tab #2. That's showing 25.5 volts, which is impossible for only 2 modules (#3 + #4).

    The fault lies in Block 1 sensing circuit. If it's not the sensing harness, then it's the plug socket or ecu itself. Assuming it's not the phone app doing something weird.

    Also curious, what was the actual DTC triggered? P0A80? P0A1F?
     
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    Doesn't it look as though the wiring harness has been connected incorrectly
    You either have residual voltage or twice the voltage
     
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    Read for trouble codes first!
     
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    Thanks, I would try under load but not sure how to put load to the modules when they are out of the battery, or don't know how to charge the battery ouside the car. I will swap the modules and see if torque shows low voltage in the new position.
     
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    Thanks, will do some more testing as soon as I have a chance. The codes are POACO and P0AFA
     
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    And it was excatly like that when I started having this problem, I mean with the harness connevtwd by factory
     
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    Actually, the original errors before I started trying to fox the buttery were P0AFA and P1116. So the POACO showed up after I worked on the battery...

    I did clean very thoroughly specialy the sockets on the ecu and left all contacts wet on aviation micro switch anti corrosion cleaner and with autoparts battery contact cream...
     
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    Correction "trying to fix the battery"
     
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    Use the "Edit" button on the bottom left of your post to fix your typo.
     
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    Note: P1116 is not a HV battery fault. It is to do with the Coolant Heat Storage (CHS) tank at the front left of the engine bay.
    You should check your work.

    Some info:

    P0AC0 | Hybrid Battery Pack Current Sensor Circuit Range/Performance

    DESCRIPTION

    The battery current sensor, which is mounted on the negative cable side of the HV battery assembly, detects the amperage that flows into the HV battery. The battery current sensor inputs a voltage (which varies between 0 to 5 V in proportion to the amperage) into the IB terminal of the battery ECU. An output voltage of the battery current sensor below 2.5 V indicates that the HV battery assembly is being charged, and above 2.5 V indicates that the HV battery assembly is being discharged.

    The battery ECU determines the charging and discharging amperage of the HV battery assembly based on the signals that are input to its IB terminal, and calculates the SOC (state of charge) of the HV battery through the estimation of the amperage.

    P0AFA | Hybrid Battery System Voltage Low
    DTC No. DTC Detection Condition Trouble Area
    1 P0AFA Either of the following conditions occurs (1 trip detection logic)
    • Voltage at each battery block is below 2 V
    • Voltage of all the battery blocks is -24 to 2 V
    • Junction block assembly (busbar module)
    • No. 2 frame wire (busbar and wire harness)
    • Battery ECU

    MONITOR DESCRIPTION

    The battery ECU monitors a voltage of the battery blocks to detect an open malfunction in internal battery voltage sensor circuits of the battery ECU and the wire harness between each battery block and battery ECU. If a voltage at one of the battery blocks is below a standard level or of all the battery blocks is within a specified range, the battery ECU judges that there is an open in the internal sensor circuit(s) or wire harness. The battery ECU then illuminates the MIL and sets a DTC.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Thanks, POACO Started after I wirked in the battery, tye sensor seems to be well in place. Still checking here
     
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    It is P0AC0 not POACO. (Zeroes, not o's)
     
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    I don't know about this. I'm not a fan of leaving anything on ecu pins, especially ones that have significantly different voltages on them. Remember that first tab/wire/pin will be a ground reference. The last tab/wire/pin is going to be full battery voltage greater than the first one. Every battery I build gets a new wire frame #2 and the ecu gets cleaned and inspected. But they go together dry.
     
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    I did some more testing. First, to clarify, looks like midule #1 is the one farthest from the ecu. With the battery installed in the car and live, with lots caution, I checked with a voltmeter and block one shows 15.5 V Block one + two show 31 . So it doesn't match with Torque... I don't think Torque is "acting up" I guess I start by changing the ecu. Now the PA0C0 is new, I hope it is because of the ecu too. I dobt see anything wrong with the current sensor. And It does connect to the ecu too...

    Can you sell me an ecu? Should I change the sensor and the ither harness as well?

    Thanks
     
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    I did some more testing. First to clarify: Is module #1 on the 2nd gen Prius, the one furthest from the ecu? This makes it easy for me in case of replacing modules 1 - 4. With my meter block #1 shows 15.5 and block 1 + 2 show 30 or 31 V. So I agree that most likely the ecu has an issue, now the P0AC0 is new but the current sensor is in place and well connected, I verified connections, It does connect to the ecu as well maybe if the ecu went bad it is nit detecting the sensor now... I guess my next step is to change the ecu. Could you sell me a tested one? Should I change other harness or sensors/connectors. Thanks
     
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    I thought the first post was lost...
     
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