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Reconditioning the HV battery

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Nick Kasparidis, Apr 20, 2020.

  1. Nick Kasparidis

    Nick Kasparidis New Member

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    Hello everyone,
    I felt a bit adventurous with the Covid-19 isolation and thought I will try to recondition the batteries of my Prius although there was no issue with them. Dr Prius gives me a rating of 59% on the battery condition, which I was hoping I can improve. I got a skyRC Q200 charger, and took the battery out, but when I put the charger to work on the batteries, I get some weird behaviour.
    First of all my settings are to perform 3 charge-discharge cycles, at 3A charge and 1A discharge. I setup the cell number to 6, and cutoff voltage to 1V (I think it does the multiplication itself for 6 cells). The dV setting is at 4mV. I put that for each of the 4 channels.

    I see the charger going from around 12V to 14V while charging. Which from what I have seen on videos, or charging NiMH batteries is too high. It should not be much higher than 9.5V at maximum voltage. This really worries me, so I have stopped the process but could not find more information. I am also worried about the charging cables, since they feel quite thin. Not sure if they are the reason of the high Voltage. When the charger measures resistance, it find it at 1300 - 1500mOhm depending on the module. I know the internal resistance is at around 22-24mOhm in my cells according to Dr Prius.
    Also I see that the charger is stopping the charging stage early, so it does not go to a full charge. When starting to charge again it keeps going happily. It is happening it to the first 2 modules I tried. I am wondering if there is something with my settings.
    Any thoughts or advise on the above?

    Thanks
     
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    The Prolong reconditioning system from Hybrid Automotive is highly recommended here. The owner and designer still posts here as he is able. @Raytheeagle has been one such user.
     
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    I was on a tighter budget, plus I play around with drones so it was two birds with one stone. That is if this charger can do a proper job and this high voltage is not dangerous
     
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    You are using a charger that is not designed to charge those types of battery.
    An RC device has a lot lower current draw, that's why the wires are so thin.
    You could replace those wires with thicker ones and see if that helps.
    If the batteries you are trying to "recondition" are just plain bad, you will have problems.
    Again, because you using a charger that is not designed to do what you want.
    If you were just trying to charge them up enough so you can get the engine running, it might work.

    The Prolong reconditioning system is designed to do what you are trying to do. Of course, the cost is more.
    But still less than new cells...



     
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    Welcome to Prius Chat(y).

    Your set up with the hobby charger isn't working:cool:.

    You can look around the Gen2 maintenance section and there are examples of those that have replaced cells and used equipment other than the Hybrid Automotive Prolong equipment;).

    They have been successful:).

    Good luck and keep us posted(y).
     
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    Sorry guys. A quick reading before coffee and I somehow missed that they were using a hobby charger already.
     
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    No worries ;).

    There's plenty to read up on in the Gen2 section, given the batteries are more seasoned now:cool:.

    But that means there are plenty of examples:).

    Not the end of the world(y).
     
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    You guys are paving the way for my Gen 4 NiMH. :D
     
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    It'll work for your battery:).

    But you have probably another several years and probably ten of thousands of miles before that's a consideration ;).

    But think about it as it served me well(y).
     
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    So you guys think the skyrc Q200 charger is playing up on me, and this high voltage is not appropriate for NiMH batteries.. Misreading something about the module probably. I ordered some AWG 16 cables anyway in case they help. I will keep looking at and contacted the manufacturer, but it looks like I may need to send it back and get something else. I don't see how to get a prolong charger in the UK, and don't wont to mess with the delay and expense of customs. I may have to go for some of the cheaper chargers other people have used which seem to work fine.
     
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    I actually figured it out yesterday night, the cables were to blame. I borrowed some AWG 16 cables from work, and the voltage dropped to normal levels, plus they don't get that hot. I just need a permanent setup to complete the work. Thanks for the help and information guys
     
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    You're welcome. I hope it all works for you and it saves your battery pack.
     
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    Nick, good luck..I'll be doing my battery pack in a few weeks. I opted for the Hitec X4 Ac Pro.
     
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    Hello guys,
    just reporting on the results. The car starts! (y)
    I went for a quick spin, and all look good, no complain or error codes coming up. The one worrying thing is that the internal resistance (according to Dr Prius) went up from 23-24mOhm to 26-27mOhm. Its like I did more damage than good! I am wondering if cleaning the bolts from the dried electrolyte increased the resistance or maybe I did not tighten the bolts enough. I put the bolts on Vinegar to clean, and used a tooth brush at the end to scrub. Some rust was still on when I put them back on the battery, but thought its good enough.
    I will do a life expectancy test with Dr prius and see how it goes. It was at 59% before.
     
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    The torque spec for the nuts is 48 inch pounds;).

    What torque did you tighten them to:whistle:?

    At least you're back up and running(y).
     
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    You shouldn't use vinegar. You really have to rinse the parts good after using vinegar.
    Backing soda and water and a tooth brush. It does a great job. And rinses easily.
    I wouldn't worry about it too much since everything is working.

     
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    The internal resistance of a battery is kind of an odd thing.
    As it's overall voltage goes up, so does the effective resistance.
    I don't think your readings indicate a problem.
     
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    To answer the questions.
    I tightened the bolts with a ratchet wrench up to the level it started to require a quite bit of force to tiwst more.
    No more vinegar then, baking soda it is. Vinegar is considered good at cleaning rust so I went for it.change from being at 80-90% to 40% so I am wondering what the deal is.

    I run the battery test, and here are the results.
    The old one first
    LifeTest_2020-03-25_10-01-00.jpg
    and the new one
    LifeTest_2020-04-29_06-52-58.jpg

    It makes me wonder if there is any merit to these tests, and how reliable they are. 101.28% sounds too good to be true. I am wondering if the starting charge level was too high, and confused the battery controller given I fully charged the batteries before putting the unit back. I did a little drive about 20 minutes before, and not sure if this discharged the batteries or not. I will do another test later, wondering if I will get anything around that range
     
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    Those apps can give you a good estimate of the condition of the batter.
    Since you've cleaned all the contacts and charged all the cells, you should be okay.
    If you really want to be certain, get the prolong discharger/charger and run through
    the 3 cycles of discharge/recharge, which takes about 2-3 days.