Featured Million Mile Battery; Ready for Reveal?

Not sure how to comprehend this statement from within the article:

"Extending that lifespan is viewed as a key advance because the pack could be reused in a second vehicle. "

Just trying to fathom out how that would work from both the retail end, and the consumer end.
Do they mean reused or did they mean also used?

Reused, and I'm just not sure how that works. I mean, if you have a 5-6-10 year old EV and want a new one, but you feel the battery has plenty of life, you're just suppose to buy the new one without a battery and transfer, thus selling or trading in the old one now without a battery?
With changes in design, and different models it would be a decision to keep compatibility the same over a vehicle or different models and years and generations. What if I have a Toyota EV, and the next one I'm looking at is a Hyundai EV? Do all manufacturers agree to uniform capability?
Plus do you then purchase EV's as either with a new Battery or without one?

I'm missing something here or making it more complicated than it needs to be.

 

LOL! Maybe just too much sheltering in place. But for some reason my mind didn't think of it that way when reading the article. But it makes sense.
But then what we're really talking about is just a potentially more vibrant salvaged and used battery market.

 

i would prefer a 500 mile battery that recharges in 15 minutes, but only lasts 10 years or 150,000 miles, and costs little enough to make a decent car for $30,000.

 

That's because you are used to the idea of using up a car and then scrapping it and the junk yard selling off a few items for a few dollars and crushing the rest.
What is the car was all beat up and the seats all trashed but the motors and batteries still had real value?
Repair shops could fix up your car body or give you a new one. They good redo the insides as well.
There are already places that do this type of thing but they are low volume. Most are probably pretty expensive and doing insurance work when your car gets damaged.

Mike

 

Nah, I think it's because I have a tendency to overthink things and complicate them.
Now that Tideland points it out, I think when the article say's "used in a second vehicle" they probably are talking primarily about the used or salvaged battery angle.

I think it's absolutely great however. When/If battery advancements allow for Million Mile batteries great.
I also agree with Bisco that faster recharge times is something I think consumers would like to see.

But I'll take advancement on any front possible.

 

Ads are for the product that you must sell this instant, not for the products that are going to be sold in the near future. People tend to forget ads fairly quickly, half a year with no anti EV ads and you can have new ones that promote EVs.

Million mile battery can have two benefits
- resale value of used car will be much higher - lowering your TCO
- no worries for the battery if you use the car for V2G - again lowering your TCO

 

it's funny, no gasser mfg's talk about million mile engines or other parts. maybe a paradigm shift to longer term ownership?
americans would need low cost body kits to make their neighbors think they got a new car.

 

I think a $30K car with a 500 mile battery is unrealistic. Its not that it can't be done but think of it this way, a 500 mile car (assume aerodynamic like a tesla) would require a 130 kwh battery. If you really want to charge 500 miles in 15 minutes you probably are talking about 170 kwh (probably 625 mile range but will have the capacity to be 500 miles between 5%-85% SOC with preconditioning. Tesla CATL are talking about $80/kwh cost so make that $13,600, but that battery pack will weigh just under a metric ton, and you need to build the ballance of the car and make a profit. That has to be an awfully cheap interior, body, and suspension for the ballance. I would think a 240 mile range (300 km) car could be much nicer and sell much better at that price.

 

It’s unrealistic now, about the same as a million mile battery.

Question is, which will come first?

 

500 mile fast charge batteries are coming next year but in expensive vehilces.
Tesla battery supplier Catl says new design has one million-mile lifespan - BBC News
Million mile candidates (16 year life span) appear to be coming next year as well and in more affordable vehicles. First market is going to be china not the US though.

 

when they get here, i'll be a believer. but then, you have to put a million miles on them, en masse.

 

Consumers don't know what they want.
If we had cars with 500 and 600 or more miles ranges people would stop worrying about charging times as much. (beyond the current Tesla V3 Supercharger speeds of 250 KW. They think refueling time compared to a ICE which they have known all their lives where you drive till close to empty and refuel. If all hotels had chargers, plus lots of inbetween Superchargers plus big long range batteries no one would care that much about charging speed since you'd normally start each day with more range than you'd typically ever use in a day.

Just a thought.

Mike

 

I would like to buy some batteries like this and lease them to a company that places them with drivers and manages them.

 

wouldn't we all...

 

As the transition to EV's becomes more and more simply what is happening, I think charge times will be something consumers look at and evaluate highly.
All alternatives are going to be compared to what the past standard was, and that is the time to refuel an ICE, and the average range that provided. The closer to reaching charge times that are as convenient to regular refuel times, and ranges that equal the average range for an ICE vehicle, the better.
I agree that as the charging infrastructure grows the concern about range probably diminishes, but people still want convenience so reduced charging times I don't think will stop being a concern or desire for consumers.

I'm optimistic maybe born out of ignorance, as to what improvements in both Battery Technology and Charging Realities might come to exist. Who knows? 10 years out, 15 years out, or more?
I mean if you went BACK 10 years or more, and said anything about a million mile battery, most people would of thought you were crazy. It now looks as if this is a reality.

 

Also America loves the road trip. Or at least the concept of the road trip, even if the reality becomes we're 97% of the time just doing daily driver trips.
We're sold vehicles for mostly unrealistic psychological reasons. That is, we're all hopping in our SUV and heading for mountain tops, or across highways on long road trips. Very few commercials show the overweight consumer hopping into their SUV to go get an 56 ounce slurpee. Even if I think that happens MUCH more than exotic mountain top trips, or fun filled road trips.

In short I think we are going to always desire products that match not only what we need, but what we think we need and want, and there can be considerably gap between those two things.

 

Don't forget no more batteries in the landfills. <grins>

Bob Wilson