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Prius running without catalytic converter assembly

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Ian Simons, Jul 3, 2020.

  1. Ian Simons

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    My Prius could barely make it up a hill, and kept making that metal on metal slapping sound. The mechanic disconnected the catalytic converter so I could drive it to the dealership, and that was the worst, due to the super loud noise it made all the way there. The power still wasn’t great, but at least better than when the cc was connected.

    I read about position rings wearing down and blow by clogging the CC with high mileage (I’m at 148,000 and change) but can someone explain why the power still wasn’t that good without the cc attached?
     
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    Be aware that your old CC assembly has a used value of around 1k, make sure the mechanic gives it back or splits the profits as needed.

    How much oil does your gen2 burn between oil changes?
     
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    Yes its’s there, just not connected.

    I’m not sure exactly but more than the average amount because I’m constantly having to add more every 10-14 days. Do you know why the acceleration power might be lagging even without the connection of the long metal type part that contains the CC assembly?
     
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    The engine is tuned with the exhaust system in place, removing it can actually give a normal car more power if it is re-tuned to compensate, but the hybrid drive system will not gain any power from removal and re-tuning. Perhaps a hybrid could gain power if the software was updated to compensate.
     
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    Is your hv battery the original that is now 13 years old:whistle:?

    Is there a dash light on that points to the catalytic converter underperforming?

    I think you are starting to see the signs of a weakening hv battery;).

    How fast do the bars cycle on your display? One test is if you sit in a waiting line (like for fast food or a coffee), how quickly does the engine kick on?

    Good luck and keep us posted(y).
     
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    AND the gas engine is 13 years old with 148,000 miles too. Some performance loss is to be expected.

    IF.....you live in a state where mandatory emission testing or inspection is NOT required, you can get a "generic" cat a lot cheaper than one from Toyota; or should be able to.

    It is possible that it feels like it is still down on power because you are unconsciously not pushing the pedal as far.
    It is also possible that is caused by the loss of capacity in the HV battery.

    It is an OLD car. Stuff goes bad.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    The OP identifies as someone who lives in Lake Arrowhead.

    I'm not a geography major, but that's sounds Californiay to me.
    It will be interesting to see how this turns out.......
     
  9. Ian Simons

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    You know your right. I wasn’t pushing down as hard as I could because every time I do it gets louder. It may well have been subconscious.

    The crazy thing about this scenario is that this will be my 3rd Catalytic converter replacement in two years.

    I don’t believe they ever fixed the underlying problem, which I believe to be the blow by from the piston rings wearing down. The PCV valve is really low as well and that doesn’t help.

    I'm hoping the Toyota dealership honers the warranty for a third time, and then it’s on to install a quality OCC.

    In California if the car is under 150,000 miles, their supposed to replace the converter at no cost. It’s crazy cause I’m right on the cusp of still beOmg eligible for the warranty, which is the only good thing about all this.

    Can you check my last post, and answer if you’re qualified. Thanks
     
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    Do you or anybody have any thoughts on the OCC???

    I’m hoping if the dealership honers the warranty, that the OCC will prevent the new converter from crapping out.

    What’s really frustrating is the second time the converter was replaced you would think the Toyota dealership would have some sort theory on why it’s going bad so fast, but it’s almost like as long as they can charge me for additional regular maintenance that they can actually charge for, they’re not concerned.

    What are Thoughts on oil catch can as remedy to
    my quickly deteriorating converters?.... Had two in the last two years... hopefully gonna get a third.
     
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    The catch can does NOT catch oil that would otherwise go out the tail pipe.
    It is for a different problem.

    AND....you luck will run out eventually. I am VERY surprised that they did the second one.
     
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    Are you sure?


    With high mileage the piston rings wear down and get gunked up , which produces blow by, which results in increased pressure in the crank case, and that pushes the burned oil from the pcv into the engine.


    This catch can won't stop oil use, but will catch a lot of it from burning in the engine, helping save the cat.

    I’m surprised they didn’t have a solution second time round. What would you recommend??
     
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    I recommend a new car. Seriously.
    Once you get to this point, amateur "fixes" are just a shot in the dark and any improvement often is short lived. There is NO quick and easy fix for a worn out engine.

    Along with "blow by" comes oil "pumping". Hot gasses go into the crankcase and on the intake stroke, oil is sucked DIRECTLY into the combustion chamber. The tiny bit that gets there via the PCV loop is usually insignificant as far as total use goes.
    Sometimes the valve guide seals leak too.

    That oil "cloud" condenses in the intake manifold and on parts like MAF and causes other problems.
     
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    About how many miles are you driving in 10-14 days?

    How are you measuring the perceived loss of acceleration power?
     
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    Could you explain why it’s the converter that’s always going please?
     
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    Just regular. Probably 40 miles a day. I’m trying to figure out why the caddy keeps going on the blink?
     
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    Sorry, not understanding. Do you mean 'regular' like when you take off from a red light?
     
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    Forget the acceleration. I think that was just subconscious. I’m talking about the Cady, I’m at the end of second one in four years.
     
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    Is it the catalytic converters, or the upstream and downstream sensors:whistle:?

    I'd check them out as well;).

    They drift over time and can cause the cat to look like it is not working properly(y).