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Code: P0A90 241

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  1. priuslife_andliving

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    Hi all!

    I lived in my Prius for a year before COVID and had to cut my travels short, but came back home. 170K miles on the '06 Prius, new HV battery (from a reputable company). Everything was fine for a few months, then a few weeks ago I got a red triangle + check engine light. It stopped working completely and then shut down. Eventually got it running again, but it drove slow. Brought it to a gas station (thought it ran out of gas). That ended up helping it but the gas meter on the dashboard stopped working. Brought it into the shop and they said the gas tank looks clear & nothing wrong with the pump.

    Few days later, I was driving up a steep hill and same thing happens: red triangle ! and check engine light. Brought it into another shop and they found this code: P0A90 with 241

    They said it might be the transmission or the transaxle but they can't be sure, either way they think the fix will be worth more than the car itself. They cleared the codes and says it's driving "normal" again.

    What do you all think? Is it safe to continue driving it around the city or am I endangering myself/others? Do you think the transmission fix is worth it?
     
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    If you can use Dr. Prius app to monitor and clear error codes you'll be able to keep driving it... Here's buyer's guide for device that makes the app work: Hybrid battery diagnostic and repair tool for Toyota and Lexus And changing your transaxle fluid might give a bit of insight into what's going on inside of there.
     
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    Thank you! Super helpful. So it sounds like it's, in your opinion, safe to drive (like it wouldn't suddenly veer off the road and crash!). I'm a first-time car owner (grew up a bit poor) so don't know a lot about this kind of stuff. When you say transaxle fluid, do you mean transmission fluid? Is that something I can do at like a Meineke?
     
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    Yes, but I only suggested exploring transmission/transaxle fluid if you want to do DIY diagnosis, or get a second opinion. As far as driving it a hundred miles is if what's failing is minor than you'll be ok, but if that actual stator/electric motor is failing and it's hanging in there but will get worse with use and heat then you could end up waiting for a tow truck far from home. It all comes down to what kind of subcodes you're getting...

    It also depends on how much research you've done so you know what you're getting yourself into... If you do a google search for "Prius P0A90 with 241" and read all you can about it, your decision on making the trip will be easier. For example I just did that search and found this thread:

     
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    i'd be more comfortable with a local mech, if you don't want to go to a dealer. if you go to meineke, might be worth picking up the fluid at a dealer, bringing it with you, and watching the work being done.

    it's a simple matter of loosening the fill plug, removing the drain plug, replacing the drain plug and refilling until the fluid comes out of the fill hole.
     
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    Welcome to PriusChat!!

    Here is the workup for DTC P0A90 with INF 241 : https://share.qclt.com/%E4%B8%B0%E7%94%B0%E6%99%AE%E7%91%9E%E6%96%AF%E5%8E%9F%E5%8E%82%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E6%89%8B%E5%86%8Cpdf%E6%A0%BC%E5%BC%8F/Repair%20Manual/04pruisr/05/21bpm/0a90239.pdf

    From step 9 : "If the engine over–revs or the reading on the hand–held tester shows DTC P0A90 (INF 241) (HV transaxle
    input malfunction [torque limiter slipping]), replace the transmission input damper."

    Doubtful if this is the problem at such low mileage (be sure to check the VIN at : Welcome to Toyota Owners ).

    Do you hear noises at various speeds or RPM ranges?
     
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    Sometimes you get codes that are side effects of other problems. Last Summer all the codes pointed to me thinking I had to replace my inverter. Then, right before I started to replace inverter I disarmed high voltage battery pack and realized it was not the inverter but a loose high voltage cable to the pack that was arcing and making the computer think the inverter, not the pack was the problem. Easy fix and still have the replacement inverter sitting on my shelf...
     
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    Thanks everyone for the reply!

    No weird noises. It just doesn’t get a lot of juice going up hills especially (even on the freeway I’ll top out at around 55 mph). I’m a bit afraid to push the gas pedal all the way down because that’s how the error codes came up the last two times. I basically floored it to keep up with traffic in an uphill section of the freeway and then it jolted back and then started to slow down completely. At that point, even applying pressure on the gas pedal would just rev the engine but not make it move (almost like it switches to neutral). Restart and then it’s fine.

    I haven’t had an issue when I don’t push the gas pedal all the way down and keep the MPH under 50-55 going up a hill (it can get up to 65-70 going down the hill fine). It’s only really sketchy when I’m entering on to a freeway using the on ramps but I’ve solely used the on ramp that is it’s own dedicated lane (instead of merging) to be a bit safer.

     
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    What's I suspect is going on here is that when you do a hard acceleration, the trans input damper slips, which the computer recognizes and then shuts down the electric part of the hybrid system so the engine revs up to carry the full load and the engine has hardly any power with out help from the hybrid system, so it feels as though it's in neutral...
     
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    Thanks so much PriusCamper! I know it’s hard to say without looking at it but that diagnosis sounds right to me too. Or makes sense at least. Do you think the whole transmission needs to be fixed if the damper is slipping?

     
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    Well, the damper sits between the engine and the transmission, just where a conventional clutch would sit (and looks a lot like one, other than having no pedal you can release it with). If it is slipping, the engine revs higher because not all of the work it is doing can get to the transmission.

    Replacing the damper is something any shop that can replace clutches should be able to do. They have to not be scared of "OMG a Prius with orange wires and things". (And able to read and follow simple instructions to be safe around the orange wires.)

    They also have to expect the transmission to weigh 300 pounds, not what you'd normally expect in a small car.