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Discussion in 'Tesla' started by Lee Jay, Feb 3, 2020.

  1. orenji

    orenji Senior Member

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    Have you ever refueled a Hydrogen vehicle? Maybe you should try for yourself. These things you say are nothing more than nonsense. I can’t speak for ever using a supercharger, but I do see the lines of Tesla waiting to access a vacant charger at a local supercharger location. I don’t have that luxury to wait an hour or more.
     
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    Hydrogen doesn't explode.The fire that engulfed the Hindenburg was caused by the exterior coating that was ignited by a electromagnetic spark. This coating was the cause of the fire. Sure the Hydrogen that was used on the Hindenburg is highly flammable and also contributed to the crash of the Hindenburg but certainly was not the initial cause of the crash or the explosions. Rockets use Hydrogen and have had little issue in the history Space travel.
     
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    Somehow I doubt your sincerity.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Sounds like a lot of folks already voted with their wallets. Did any have a ‘for sale’ sign?
     
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    jzchen Newbie!

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    Looks like the cover is just sitting there. I would have tried to install it prior to plugging in, or better while charging...

    moto g(7) power ?
     
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    The funny thing is that there is a large population who have never even heard of Tesla, I know that is hard to believe. So sure they are common place in California just as many other EV makes. But let’s see what happen to 5 or less years when marketing kicks in from all the other players. I have noticed a major upswing in ads for Mirai and this is even before the newly designed 2021 is released.
     
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    Post #186 was already written numerous times 5 years ago. That forecast worked out quite poorly. Most of the claim makes even less sense today.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    You might if there is a rush of hydrogen cars that filled up before you.

    There is strong evidence that the spark ignited leaking hydrogen, which the ship was experiencing.

    Hydrogen may not be an explosive under the definition using flame front speed, but then neither is gasoline under it. Hydrogen does have the highest range of flammable mixtures with air, and requires little energy to ignite.
    "Hydrogen has a very broad flammability range—a 4 percent to 74 percent concentration in air and 4 percent to 94 percent in oxygen; therefore, keeping air or oxygen from mixing with hydrogen inside confined spaces is very important. Also, it requires only 0.02 millijoules of energy to ignite the hydrogen– air mixture, which is less than 7 percent of the energy needed to ignite natural gas" - https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/513855main_ASK_41s_explosive.pdf
    That article also talks about hydrogen fires and explosions experienced by NASA.

    Methane's flammability range is 4.4% to 16.4%, and needs 0.3mJ of energy to ignite.
    Gasoline is 1.4% to 7.6% and 0.8mJ.
    Gases - Explosion and Flammability Concentration Limits
    http://explosionsolutions.co.uk/110411020.pdf

    Tesla sells virtually all the cars they make without spending advertising money. I think even cut back on their marketing department.
    You spend money on adds when your product isn't moving at a rate you want.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    That is nothing:
    In Mississippi, our BMW i3-REx is treated like a UFO.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Mark57 2021 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD

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    Mulder . . . . Mulder?

    (double reply)
     
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    I guess your not up on current news regarding a Hydrogen and expected growth around the world.
     
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    I disagree. Hydrogen and electric cars are new to 80% of the general public. Advertising is more educational then for selling. Without public awareness and understanding of the product no one will buy.
     
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    You guessed wrong again.
     
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    Seeing cars on the road is also effective advertising. I live in Minnesota and see Tesla Model 3s on a regular basis. I have never seen a hydrogen-powered car in real life. Also, there are at least 4 companies I know of that are trying to build out electric vehicle charging networks - Tesla, Electrify America, ChargePoint, and EV Go. Who is building out a hydrogen network? Nikola claimed they would, but they’re full of it. No fueling network (outside of the few stations in California) means nobody sees hydrogen vehicles in person and nobody wants to buy them.
     
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    Toyota, Honda and Hyundai are all selling within California as a starting market. California has always been ahead of the rest of the nation in creating clean alternative energy. So it makes perfect sense to begin with California. But even so most California’s don’t know or understand hydrogen vehicles. This is where marketing is needed to educate the public. Tesla has an advantage because they are in the news daily, for better or worse. But even so many Americans have never even heard of Tesla. With 45 hydrogen stations in operation, California continues to lead the way in hydrogen infrastructure development in the United States and this gap will only widen with 36 more stations to be built shortly with the help from the California Energy Commission (CEC) and Volkswagen Environmental Mitigation Trust Funds. The latter is contributing $5 million. This is the first large California investment in the hydrogen infrastructure since the previous solicitation in 2015.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    You might be stretching the meaning of many.

    2019 data
    63% of prospective car buyers consider an EV.
    New survey shows strong support for electric vehicles across economic spectrum
    81% percent of those can name Tesla as a seller of EVs. Toyota is at 52%
    Tesla Is An EV Brand Awareness Juggernaut Compared To Competition

    For a rough estimate, there are 128.58 million households in the US. 7.6% don't have any car. So 118.8 million potentially looking for a new car. Which would mean 60.6 million that know about Tesla.
     
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    Wouldn't that also mean that there's a heck of a lot of charging stations, too? ;)
     
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    Despite all of the hype behind Tesla and the introduction of more affordable electric vehicles like the Hyundai Kona EV and the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the majority of consumers still haven’t been in an electric car. According to a recent J.D. Power study, 70% of Americans have never been in a vehicle that runs on electricity. Additionally, 30% know nothing about them. With automakers pouring millions into developing new EVs, it’s surprising to hear.
     
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    J.D. Power’s study revealed that the number of available charging stations, a lack of overall driving range, and price remain the three main factors holding electric vehicles back for American consumers. Fun fact, these were the same three barriers when J.D. Power studied consumer interest in EVs back in 1997. It’s been 23 years and consumers still have the same concerns.
     
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    As Tesla is a prime example, the best advertising is word of mouth. Nearly all new Tesla purchases I have seen transpire begin with casual discussions with colleagues, friends, and neighbors, typically months before.

    Like post #198 above, many of these are in the "30% know nothing about them" cohort, which is to say they had heard of BEVs and Teslas before to that point but knew little if any details. General advertising would do little to enlighten there but word of mouth is the ideal solution.
     
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