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    Henrik Helmers Active Member

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    I drove the new Prius plug-in home today, trading in a 2009 gen2.

    Reading on this forum helped me decide to buy another Prius. I would like to thank you all for sharing the knowledge. Without Priuschat I would probably have bought a worse car! :love:
     
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    Congratulations Henrik....I think you will like the car. Please post photos of your car in your beautiful country Norway. Its been years since I have been there and it does not look like we will not be traveling there anytime soon.
     
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    Congrats on your new PP. Let me assure you that this is one of a rare PHEV that does better than almost any gas engine cars out there even if you don't plug-in. But please plug-in and enjoy the smooth and quiet EV mode drive.
     
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    Congratulations.

    Yours is the land of amazing renewable resources, so I second the motion for plugging in all you can:

    In Norway, 98 percent of the electricity production come from renewable energy sources.
    Renewable Energy - regjeringen.no
     
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    I hear it gets mighty chilly up there where you are.
    Make sure that your Traction Pack Heater is turned on.
    Than in late spring when you switch off the Pack Heater,
    remember to find and switch on the Pack Cooler.
    Those setting are found in different areas of the
    Multi Informational Display (MID) screens.
    or
    Just have fun

    A big Hello to Lavene in Oslo, a debian etch mentor.
     
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    Thank you, I will make sure to pass along your compliment! I live in the flat and forest-y part, but hopefully the Prius will get to see some scenery, at least by next summer. I will have the car pose for pictures as conditions improve. Here's one from the sad-and-grey parking lot from before it got its plates. You can see I went for the standard "spirited aqua" exterior and moonstone interior. You can't tell from the picture but it was the most colorful car on the lot :p.

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    Yes, winters do get chilly :D. The car is parked inside though, so usually not much below freezing. I look forward to zapping it with the key fob from inside to make it nice and comfy before departing. Still not halfway through the manual—going to read up on the battery heater and cooler things.

    I also work in tech (on the design parts), will keep an eye out for Lavene once traveling is back on the menu.
     
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    I took the car to visit my dad and back, which is about 300km. This trip is a part of the reason why I bought this car, so I was very curious to see how it would perform. Here are my initial observations:
    • Radar cruise control and lane keep assist (to my surprise) does work well. I was using it on the highway home, and it feels odd to "wrestle" the car over control, but that's all about learning new habits.
    • The difference in throttle response between EV and HV mode is significant. The HV response is what I would expect from a Prius; in EV my driving often got a bit jerky. More new habits to learn.
    • Being an EU model, mine comes with the "EV City" mode, which is like a slower EV mode. EV City in Eco mode is probably what I will use the most.
    • I tried to use the HUD, but turned it off after a while. Need to learn the other displays first I think. Maybe I'll revisit it later.
    • CarPlay was a great experience, worked just as well as I had expected.
    • Speakers were super bass heavy. I may have some EQ settings on my phone causing this, but the first song I tried on the highway started with a bang.
    • I ran out of gas (got the dash light) on my way home, and was unsure of what to do. I clicked the "Map" button, and as if it had read my mind it showed me a list of nearby gas stations. A tap on my preferred brand got me instructions for how to my station of choice. I don't plan on running out of gas in the future, but it was a seamless experience.
    • Gas milage for this trip was not great, and I'm not entirely sure how to see the totals for the trip. I spent too much time poking at settings, testing modes and whatnot, which probably wrecked havoc on the economy. I will make an effort the next time to see how it compares with the gen2.
     
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    lol Perfect!
    check the Trip button on the left side (US) or the steering wheel
    check and scroll the MID screens - buttons, up, down, right, left are on the other side of the steering wheel. :)

    screen grabs enhance MID screen understanding :barefoot:
     
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    You are also running new tires, which results in lower fuel economy from discussable reasons. EPA testing allows around 4000 miles worth of wear on the test car's tires.
     
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    It's worse than that, I had them put snow tires on (though it could be even worse; I run without spikes). :p
     
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    You probably mean you got the "low fuel" or "refuel now" light, not "run out of gas"! As far as low MPG with snow tires, if these were re-mounted from another car and not from new, it may be that they were not put back on with the same direction of rotation as they had previously run. This makes a huge difference in ride quality and MPG. You might want to have them remounted using the direction of rotation they had been in before.
     
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    That's probably correct. Just not used to seeing that sign! And it felt strange to put the same fuel into the new Prius as the old one.

    Everything is new, so hopefully they're not sneakily remounted from another car. It's probably user error on my part. Wouldn't be the first!
     
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    Your original post reminded me of when our car was new. It took me more than a year to get somekind of undersanding of all the stuff on the screens and I've got the smaller 7' MFD with a less toys for it. And I had a 2014 Prius Plugin before the Prime. That's why I put a small lol at the beginning. Oh the memories ----
     
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    I did some back-of-the-napkin calculations. My current electricity cost is about 0.55 NOK per kWh (in cold winter months this can double). From what I read here the Prius will gobble up about 6.5 kWh. With a full charge I can drive up to 50km. That's about 0,066 NOK per km.

    Gasoline prices are not stable, but let's be generous and say 14 NOK. For a liter I can drive about 25 km, making it 0,56 NOK per km.

    All else being equal, this would make electricity about 1/8 the price of gasoline, or 1/4 in the coldest of months.
     
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    I just did conversion:

    0.55 NOK=0.059 United States Dollar.
    So, that's $0.059/kWh which is about as cheap electricity as we can find in the US.

    14 NOK=1.49 United States Dollar
    That means gas is $1.49/liter which is $5.64/gal. That is outrageously high by US standard.

    If I am in your situation, I would try to use EV as much as I can. Unfortunately, in my region, I am paying almost 4 time more for the electricity, and only 1/3 for the gas. Yap, it cost more to drive on EV than on HV in my area right now.
     
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    I drove to my dad again today, which is a ~300km roundtrip. Now I got a bit unlucky, had quite a bit of extra traffic (that I usually avoid on my Sunday visits). I charged before I left home, but didn't want the hassle to charge at his place. I finished the trip with an average of 3.2l/100km. The last trips I did with the gen2 were 4.5l and 4.7l/100km. This is quite a significant reduction in usage of gasoline.
     
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    I repeated my trip, with less traffic, but quite a bit of rain. This time I tried to let the car do its thing, run down the EV battery and then go HV, instead of juggling buttons. I ended up with markedly higher consumption—about 3.8l/100km.

    So now I am thinking it might make sense to juggle buttons. I will try some juggling on my next trip and see if I can match the 3.2l figure.
     
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    Repeated my "standard" ~300km trip. This time I ended at about 3.6l/100km. I did a minor bit of button juggling. I have some thoughts on how to improve, but also think this may be about what I can expect from this trip on snow tires.

    Today was a fairly cold day, around freezing, so I decided to try climate prep. I also made use of climate control, and on the highway stretches I pushed it up to a toasty 23°C :love:. More tempered than in the gen2, where it on occasion felt like I had a hair dryer to my face, and I never managed to position the vents correctly.
     
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    Went out this morning for an errand, stopped to snap a couple of photos in the sunrise. Today it was -6°C, still managed to do what I set out to do without a drop of gasoline.

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    So, I netted about an 8 percent consistent gain by adding this simple and cheap modification. Link and picture of how I mounted included.



    The funny thing is I originally did this to decrease the car's natural susceptibility to cross winds and it did wonders for that. The big bonus was the consistent increase in fuel mileage especially at highway speeds. I have the same 2020 prius prime and I've averaged roughly 67.5mpg 3.48466L/100km over my ownership of roughly 43,000 miles.
     

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