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2021 Prius Prime Parking Brake

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by PiPLosAngeles, Mar 15, 2021.

  1. pghyndman

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    I'm glad you found the problem, but I've gotta' ask: aftermarket tracking device? Say what???

    Back in the day when we had LoJack installed in our pricier vehicles they were beyond neat with the installs (we weren't even allowed to see where/how the units were placed).
     
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    Cleaning up dealership’s mess, and paying them for it? And a tracking device? Lease requirement??
     
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    Another after market install issue. Why am I not surprised :eek:
     
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    Anti COVID-19 device??? LOL
     
  5. PiPLosAngeles

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    They're basically LoJack clones. Almost all dealers around here install these things in all cars; cash sale, lease, finance, doesn't matter. They usually add $995 to the sale price for the privilege too, but I refuse to pay. They are very resistant to removing them, even to the point of walking away from a sale or not charging the customer but leaving the device in the car. I just disconnect them from the ODBII and be done with it. The way they hooked this one up is a little more difficult. They detached the OEM ODBII port and connected the device to it and then attached the pass-though ODBII connector where the stock one would be. I can't get my hands up in there to disconnect it and reinstall the OEM port.
     
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    can you get a couple of photos?
    Not even to post here, unless you want, more for your own review.
     
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    Toyota USA should spank ‘em. Sounds like they don’t care though, this being so widespread. :mad:
     
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    I’d suggest returning the car to the selling dealer, either for removal of the device and repairs of any damage to the wire harnesses—or simply for a refund.

    If the wiring for the DLC3 (OBD II) connector was involved, and you decide to keep the car, I’d insist on having the dealer provide a current Health Check report from a Toyota Techstream diagnostic system, just to demonstrate that the connector is working properly.

    Either way, please report this as a safety-related defect to NHTSA.
    I’d make this the dealer’s problem, but see pages 2 and 5–8 of these accessory installation instructions (PDF); that part of the trim panel design is basically the same as on other fourth-generation Prius cars. The Repair Manual (more info) has more complete instructions.

    Before working in that area, be sure to disconnect the negative (–) terminal of the auxiliary (12-volt) battery and wait for at least 90 seconds. Disconnecting the battery de-activates the supplemental restraint system, which reduces the risk of serious injury if the driver’s knee airbag were somehow to fire while you’re down there.
     
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    Luckily the wires pinched were to the aftermarket device. The OEM ODB2 port was just shoved up behind the panel. I was finally able to unplug the device and snap the OEM ODB2 port back into the metal bracket that holds it. Now to trace that device's wire. The installer just used a cable tie to bundle it up with all the other wires.

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    Wow, sorta self defeating if it's intended to be an anti-theft LoJack-like device. As I said earlier, the install team would not even let us (as owners) see where and how the units were installed in our own cars, lest their "special hiding" places/techniques were known and render them useless.

    The whole point is to DISCRETELY track the vehicle. Routinely plonking 'em onto OBD2 ports is like "check here and cut here, theives".:eek:
     
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    I suspect it's more for the dealer's and their business partner's benefit rather than an anti-theft device. I wouldn't be surprised if they were collecting tons of location and diagnostic data to sell to aggregators.
     
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    So, how did this anti-theft device installation cause the parking brake to malfunction?
     
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    The cable was jammed into the parking brake mechanism. Whoever installed it must have just shoved it up there without paying any attention to what they were doing.
     
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    OK, it was physical obstruction causing the brake mechanism not to engage. I was thinking the OBD2 wires were somehow electronically connected to the brake.
     
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    i have considered a leaf from time to time...:unsure:
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    They might be installing them as soon as the car gets to them for their own protection.

    Lojack existed before OBD II was on cars. Even now, their tracking device shouldn't need OBD II access, though they do have a telemetric device that does for monitoring your car, and those that use it.

    Just having some tracking device installed on all their inventory could give the dealer a discount on insurance; doesn't matter if it is easy to disable. A Lojack blog post also talks about dealers using them simply for tracking inventory, so there might be other value to it.
    Connected Cars and the Dealership Experience - LoJack

    Or just to know when to send you a maintenance reminder.
     
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    That may be, but I don't trust the dealership and/or the device manufacturer not to sell my info as soon as someone there figures out they have a potential revenue stream in selling the data from their trackers. For all I know the dealership innocently installs them and the manufacturer collects and sells the data unbeknownst to the dealer.
     
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    I'd likely do the same as you upon seeing the device, but such tracking devices aren't automatically installed here, and weren't even a dealer pushed option here when I got the Sonic in 2013. Some on the Sonic forum were going as far as unplugging the GPS antenna in the car to prevent tracking back then. I wouldn't go that far.
     
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    Is this James Bond stuff even legal?
     
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