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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. fuzzy1

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    She isn't asymptomatic. She has mild symptoms that in the absence of the pandemic would have been considered an ordinary cold or flu.

    If it was a false positive, it was two consecutive false positives on a rapid test. Hopefully we'll have a pcr test result sometime tomorrow.
    "The lie"? I'm remembering several instances of all regional hospitals being overwhelmed right here in CONUS, not just in foreign places. And parking lots full of refrigerated trucks to hold the overflowing bodies from morgues and funeral homes.
     
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    that was all fake ;)
     
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    Is the rapid test antigen test? I have not heard about this, but if the antigen being detected by the test is actually the part of the virus that is presented by the vaccines (could be both mRNA based Pfizer and Moderna or more traditional J&J viral vector), wouldn't it give false positive from the immunization if the antigen test is given to close after the vaccine administration? The PCR test should clarify the ambiguous result in this case.

    Edit: OK, I did some reading. The consensus is that you will not get a positive test result neither PCR nor the antigen test after the COVID vaccination. Apparently, the antigen test is administered on the nasal swab simple similar to PCR testing, and COVID vaccines do not result in transcription of a piece of viral protein in those nasal epithelial cells. Antibody testing, on the other hand, will show positive test results as it should.
     
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    i read the test for prior infection can show false negatives, and that a new test is coming.
     
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    Has anyone asked theirself why China, the starting point of this Covid, does not have infections anymore?
    Maybe it will help if we know what dey did and what medicines they used...
     
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    • enforced science based, public health practices
    • masks
    • shutdowns
    • contact tracing
    Bob Wilson
     
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    Reports of infections and death numbers in China have not been universally accepted. Possibly, some (pre-vaccine) treatments in China may have not have been completely discussed.

    Having said all that, I do not suppose that China's medical professionals are 'holding back' any pre-vaccine magic bullets. Medical professionals are not wired that way, anywhere in the world.

    I do not claim to know all about China versus COVID. In sleepy southwestern Yunnan Province, we seem to have missed most of it, but even now leakage into Ruili (on Myanmar border) is being strongly fought.

    I only report what I see and (maybe) know. PriusChat could do better with many reporters here, to sift among reports in search of fuller truth. Wish I could help more, but I am just a person, masking and washing and spacing and using cell phone apps to 'show green' so I can get into places where I need to go. Living in fear (honestly), until I can get vaccinated so my immune system can have a leg up.
     
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    Interesting to know what type of vaccine they used, prior to actual vaccines appearance...

    We know China has not reported infections long prior to december 2020, when first vaccine (Pfizer) emerged on the market...
     
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    On this side of the bamboo curtain we're being told that the ChiComms are exporting their vaccine to places in South America and Africa.....I'm somewhat surprised that (in some places) in the US Vaccines are widely available to all ages and yet you're still waiting for yours.... ????
    Concur that CCP doctors are not withholding.
    Do NOT have the same faith that medical professionals are universally wired....good or bad, unless you use the "once saved-always saved" argument that they were not "professionals" to begin with.
    If this is true then the same arguments could be made of politicians, newsies, teachers, LEOs, soldiers, etc...
     
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    this morning on NPR I heard something new. with very clear and carefully uttered words npr is now repeating "but the pandemic is NOT OVER" during each discussion of pandemic stuff.

    I had a good laugh at NPR's expense and then wondered...

    if you're currently following the news and complying with news/CDC/fed/state orders:

    how long after their "all clear"is given will you put the pandemic behind you and live normally again ?


    please included a time frame somewhere between "immediately" to "never".

    I'm really not interested in the perspective of people who didn't follow the news/CDC/govt demands, as they will taint the poll.
     
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    I will say "never". In fact, I really doubt we will ever have the true sense of "all clear" sign. Even with the current rate of immunization, reaching herd immunity is very diffucult especially when talking about worldwide herd immunity. Even after some normalcy is reached in our daily life, there will be always the fear of a small breakout of the existing viruses or a zoonotic jump of a new virus.
     
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    Given that I and my spouse are now "fully vaccinated", the risk of either of us getting a serious Covid infection is minimal. We don't live in fear of the Flu, eastern equine encephalitis, lime disease or any of the other diseases that do kill people in our area of the US so when the masking mandates are finally ended, we will resume our normal lives. I expect that there will be annual Covid vaccine shots as there are for the Flu (along with the periodic vaccines for pneumonia, zoster, tetanus, .... ) that handle any mutating virus in the field.
     
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    Surprised? Or is someone viewing the world through privileged glasses?

    We in the U.S. are benefiting from being First Worlders very close to much of the planet's vaccine research and production. Very many other First World folk in countries that don't host the vaccine factories are finding far slower rollouts. And even here in the U.S., folks in areas with low prevalence of anti-vaxxers are experiencing slower opening of eligibility to all ages. In my own area, age 60+ became eligible just six days ago, while a neighboring state only very recently opened down to 65+. It seems that the states opening up eligibility faster, are able to do so because a larger fraction of their residents are either opting to remain unvaccinated, or have less access to appointments.

    And China has long term world-domination strategic reasons to export some of its supply well before it has covered its own residents.
     
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    When the variants of Covid become no more dangerous than a cold or minor flu (after vaccinations), and most people have been vaccinated, I'll definitely go back to life as normal, as I assume most others will. It seems that in many places people are already jumping the gun (or, as I once read, cutting their parachute strings when they are still 100 feet from landing). There may be, at worst, annual Covid shots to go along with our annual flu shots, and maybe people will wear masks more often if they feel sick like they do in many Asian countries (which, in my opinion, is one reason why they were not hit by the Covid as hard after the initial spike).

    But things have changed. There has been a convergence of technology and the effects of the pandemic. The technology is Zoom, Webex, Teams, Meet, and other group conferencing software, along with fast internet available to most, so that a lot of people were able to stay home and still do their job. Here in Silicon Valley, this has created permanent changes. A number of large companies have moved out of their large offices for good. (This is going to make San Francisco lose a lot of tax money).

    I'm in hardware design, so I often have to go into the office (you can't debug hardware from home), but when I go in, it is to a mostly empty office, since all the software, sales, marketing, and management people are all working from home. Some of this may revert to the previous normal, but I think there are a lot of changes that are now permanent.
     
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    i don't have to ask myself. china is not a democracy. most of our problems are caused by our freedoms, but i prefer it.
     
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    Maybe you are right, they are not a democracy.
    But they don't have Covid anymore...
     
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    There are a number of Democracies with very little Covid:
    South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand.
     
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    .....and some US states as well!
    ....er....except for the "democracy" part but then neither are NZ (population: Alabama) Taiwan (population: Florida plus Kansas) nor Australia (population: California)

    Of these nations, Taiwan (for now!) has the closest thing to our (not a ) democratic form of government with some important differences such as MUCH more effective border control....a homogeneous population, and more federal authority than their 22 (not quite) "states", along with recent .....ah...."exposure" to dampanics than we have had so they have fresher muscle memory.
    The ROCs are also on the verge of being united (kinetically) with their parental nation as soon as China finishes digesting Hong Kong, further destabilizing Burma (don't know how to spell Myanmar) and ethnically cleansing themselves of their pesky Mohammedans.
    The ROKs (Republic of Korea) are much the same as the ROCs (Republic of China) being as close as you can be to an island nation without being completely surrounded by water.
    The principle differences are that Taiwan doesn't have a free security det, and Taiwan's would-be conquerors are a "near-peer" nation (eschewing for the moment.... "first-world" in a serious discussion) while the ROK's face a slightly....ah..."different" nation according to the UN's HDI.
    THEIR term.
    Not mine.
    (YMMV)

    The nations of Oz benefit from border controls that make the Ellis Island look positively 'woke' (they're an early adopter of the P8 Poseidon platform, and they ain't using them for AWS ops....if you know what I mean! ;) )
    Not so much NZ as AU but I don't see NZ woke-scolding their neighbor's immigration policies either, as they TOO benefit from a very robustly....ah....."patrolled" sea frontier.

    Science and Data......
     
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    thank you for your opinion.
     
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