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Regen issue and blink code help please!

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Mdv55, Apr 21, 2021.

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    Last month I posted about a regen issue I started to notice here Regen cutting out early | PriusChat. The problem has been getting worse and the brake, VSC and ABS lights have been coming on, and going off on their own, sporadically since. Yesterday the lights stayed on for 40ish miles were previously they would go off in about a minute.

    I researched retrieving the blink codes and found a bunch. I just signed up for TIS but my account isn't active yet and the site is new to me. I could use some help deciphering the codes if anyone can direct me a little.

    ABS codes blink 36, 42.
    VSC codes blink 43, 45
    Brake codes blink 36, 94

    Thanks!
     
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    36 = C1236 = Left front wheel speed sensor, waveform noisy for five seconds or more at 12 MPH or above, or noisy in sync with wheel revolutions above 6 MPH for 15 seconds or more.

    42 = "Hey, there's also an ECB code."

    43 = "Hey, there's also an ABS code."

    45 = "Hey, there's also an ECB code."

    (This is the ECB light.)

    36 = "Hey, there's also an ABS code."

    94 = U0073 = There was a communication error between the brake ECU and either the yaw rate/acceleration sensor or the steering angle sensor. There are six different "INF codes" that can go with this code and add to the detail; unfortunately, the blink-out-the-codes trick doesn't give the INF codes.

    But you should find it easier to find the workup steps on TIS now that you know you're looking for C1236 and U0073.
     
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    Thank you!

    I've been poking around TIS now and it seems like the common denominator is the brake booster with the master cylinder :( All the trouble codes eventually point back there. I just learned how to clear the DTCs so I'm goin to check the front left speed sensor, clear codes and see what happens next.
    • Speed sensor rotor malfunction (foreign object attached)
    • Foreign object attached to speed sensor
    • Open or short in speed sensor
    • Open or short in wire harness
    • Improperly connected connector, deformation or corrosion of terminals
    • Resistance in speed sensor circuit
    • Brake booster with master cylinder (Skid control ECU)
     
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    Please, now that you've taken the smart step of getting access to the repair manual, don't diagnose that way. That's the kind of reasoning people do when they don't have access to the information.

    Yes, the "brake booster with master cylinder" is going to be listed as a possibility with every trouble code, because the trouble codes come from the brake ECU, which is in that module. :) Diagnostically, that tells you squat. ECUs are solid-state and about the least frequent things ever to fail.

    When you have the manual, use the manual. Each of the codes you have will lead to a numbered sequence of workup steps to work you methodically down to why you got that code. You don't have to guess.
     
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    Ok, I read the ECU failure and trouble tree for the other codes incorrectly. It doesn't help that I'm predisposed to worrying about brake master cylinder/booster issues since I have until August for Toyota to fix it if it fails.

    It sounds like I might have two issues to chase then. One relating to the front left wheel speed circuit and something relating to the either, the steering, yaw or acceleration sensors (assuming it's not a bus issue or ECU problem).

    I'm going to start with checking/cleaning the wheel speed sensor and go from there. I know it works because I can see wheel speed on Torque and the intermittent problem means I'm not going to be able to detect an open or short unless it's failed when I happen to probe it.
     
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    Some multimeters will have a feature where you can ask for a beep when a reading changes. Then you can have both hands free and go to town wiggling and shaking connectors and wires to flush out an intermittent problem.

    There is still a way your two codes could turn out related ... although ECUs themselves tend to go bad about as often as rocks do, electrical connections are notorious, especially when weather-exposed. Your wheel-speed sensor connections and your communication bus connections all go through that connector at the top of the brake ECU.

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    You might be amazed how many dead computers and other electronic devices over the years I have resurrected by doing nothing more than unplugging and reseating connectors. The newer automotive ones with the rubber seals are much much better than the open ones my 1970s cars had, but ten Boston winters is still ten Boston winters.

    So you might possibly end up tracing both issues back there. (I'm not sure I would do much different in diagnosis, though, than follow the steps in the manual. Sometimes, if you have a hunch, then follow the normal steps and they lead you to your hunch, that's even better confirmation than if you just go straight there and convince yourself you've found it.)
     
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    Pulled the left front sensor out of the hub and found it pretty gunked up. Cleaned it off and sprayed brake cleaner in the hole. Sensor comes in and out clean now.

    Reset codes and went for a 10 mile drive. They haven't come back yet. If/when they do I do some more digging into the connection at the brake ECU and re-evaluate.

    For other background, the car went 42k miles between 2011 and the end of 2018 when I bought it, so it may not have seen a lot of weather then. Since then it's gone another 89K and has seen some rough use.
     
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    The good news is that my regen braking is back to normal now. I'm going to guess that the dirty wheel speed sensor was the culprit and hope that the other code was a fluke. Time will tell.