SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

I reduce the house advantage from 1.41% to ~0.5%. I do say my ‘thank you’ and occasionally ‘can’t make money that way.’

Bob Wilson

 

Very few people consider themselves to be foolish in real time.

Sometimes, some of us look back on our past actions and do the 'dope slap' thing.
Other times?
We just stumble forward.
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I got 1939.
The Germans hadn't started their concentration camp medical experiments at that time, although they would get around to it in 1942.

The Japanese were too busy RAPING and killing in Nanking in 1939 to be bothered yet with their tinkerings with Unit 731.

Speaking of 'dope slaps....' you may be referring to what my President called the Tuskegee Airmen.

He got it wrong too, and his error was also one of regurgitating half-remembered misinformation based on something he knows little about personally, even though he was alive during the Tuskegee EXPERIMENTS, as were MANY OF US, since they occurred between 1932 and around 1972 when the story broke in the newspapers.
If you're suggesting that THAT study (conducted also by the CDC and its antecedents) has anything at all to do with the modern operation of the CDC, then you may want to tap the brakes and LEARN a little bit about exactly WHAT transpired during those experiments.

You don't sound in this forum much like a "primary source" kinda person, so I'll help you get started.
Tuskegee Experiment: The Infamous Syphilis Study - HISTORY
Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Wikipedia
Those studies were appalling enough without being exaggerated.

If you're talking about some OTHER time during the Roosevelt Administration, come....tell.
Let's unpack it together.

If you ARE talking about Nazi Germany, I think it's a bit of a stretch, personally.....but we can do the stare and compare if you REALLY want to......

 

Some of our poor slobs that (be all you can be) joined the military were given Lsd. What with flashbacks, some of them thought they had lost their minds.
1960s?

 

I got an experimental Anthrax vaccine.

And?
The vaccines were developed by private pharma, and they're NOT FDA approved (yet.)

 

I interpret his casino visit descriptions as being an "entertainee".

If he is really cutting the house advantage that slim, then he is getting well entertained at considerably lower cost than what many other people very willingly pay at very many non-gambling venues.

 

Yeah, who cares when those seniors die off in droves. In fact, maybe letting this virus run wild every handful of years would help out Social Security's finances better than Cassandra's 'transitioning' proposal in Cristopher Buckley's Boomsday.

 

very well said, I hadn't considered the Tuskegee mess, guess it's not given enough air time considering the consequences and magnitude of wrong doing by the government.

i'm glad we can agree that when govt is given permission by the people to "hold people down and inject people" it's usually a sign of bad things to come. good intentions at the beginning (rarely) , but then (much more frequently ) evil and vile towards the end.

the timeline of events transpiring be when the plans were hatched, we have no way of knowing. it's grotesque to imagine anyone would _plan_ those kinds of things, while they have overwhelming public approval, but as history has taught us...

they do

 

how about we shelter and SERVE them, from as safe a distance as possible ? they built this country, and deserve to have their golden years be a good time, instead of being locked away from family in nursing homes with no contact as they die, from whatever the cause may be.

as far as their money, it's not mine, yours, or congress to play with. if there's a budget issue, let's make it really simple and take our hands completely off of their nest eggs... stop taxing them completely, stop dipping into THEIR money for pet projects, and stop financing frivolous expenditures from THEIR pockets ? I know, it sounds crazy, but stealing their money for our projects just seems wrong to me.

if you have a proposal to stop this (the current blessed virus) in it's tracks, I'm all ears. so far , nothing has stopped it.

 

Will the Delta Variant Peak and Then Burn Out?

"Experts" all over the map again.
Funny thing I've heard no WX correlation by any of the 'pros from Dover."

In Florida, and other parts of the Southeast, it's HOT.
Africa Hot. Pretty humid too.
Lots of people like the olds, and other folks with breathing and other health issues stay indoors, where it's easier to share the bug.
There's almost certainly also a last minute family vacation element, but the geographics play against this.

If you look at the "vaccination gap" the numbers are all over the map, leaning heavily into the non-Asian minorities most especially but also some other rather interesting groups - like 40% of teachers in New York, and nurses, everywhere.
Not exactly "Tucker Carlson" nation.
There's not quite enough of a vax delta between the red states and the blues to make a politically based association without massaging the numbers more heavily than a NY gubernatorial employee's backside.
People who use masks like rosary beads insist that republican states getting their viral loads all over each other are to blame, but states like California, New York, and Illinoise with their lockdowns (for the little people) and other restrictions counter that argument - AS WELL AS the "Africa hot" theory....so....
It's probably "D"....all of the above, or "E"....none of the above.

Our schools open tomorrow.
OPEN tomorrow.
NOT "virtually" open, where families have to create multi-generational households for daycare, or where parents have to decide which half of the income stream gets cut off.
OPEN.
I have one immediate family member teaching and three littles attending, and I'm not worried in the least, because like Bob....I know the odds.

 

i'm just glad my kids are adults. wouldn't want to have to make the tough decisions parents of school age children are facing
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Keep them away at a safe distance, without locking them away?

That herd of horse left the barn decades ago, it is now time to starting calling some of those horses back into the barn. The reality is that Social Security was always meant to be financed on a Pay As You Go basis. The so-called Trust Fund, which grew fairly large after the mid-1980's reforms, was never meant to be more than a stack of IOUs from the Treasury, available to finance Congressional spending.

I am effectively now one of "them", a Boomer just months away from being eligible to collect. Though like my spouse, who is already past her Full Retirement Age, I'm planning to not start collecting until the benefit is maximized.

So I'm one of those people you'd lock away at a safe distance, without really locking us away.

Start by looking at past epidemics. Polio, smallpox, measles. (One of my middle school teachers had a polio-crippled arm, at least he didn't need an iron lung.) Oh, wait, I was vaccinated for all those without anyone asking for my consent, the vaccinations were mandatory. But they were so successful that vaccinations for the first two are not just no longer necessary, but even no longer available here anymore.

Measles was once eradicated from the U.S. (long after I had it), but not the whole world, and anti-vaxxers gave it sufficient fresh non-immune meat for travel-related cases to cause a new outbreak here.

SARS, MERS. Oh wait, those involved isolations and quarantines, also violating people's "rights". But they were successful, nobody needs to worry about them anymore.

Maybe the anti-vaxxers would have preferred for all these epidemics to keep running forever.

 

^
That, although we do not regularly vaccinate folks against consumption in the USofA.
Tuberculosis (TB) Vaccination | CDC

One of my medical oddities is that I am a PPD converter, meaning that like many Covid positive people, I "tested positive for TB" while on government funded travel.
I didn't have TB.
I don't have TB.
Ellis Island-free immigration policies notwithstanding, I'm not at all likely to GET TB.
Besides....we need the immigrants badly even though many are getting 'invited' to 'do other things.'

As we've seen over the last year and a half, Americans have lost much of our muscle memory in dealing with infectious diseases.

Those decisions are only tough if you have to make them 'in the blind' or you use ratings-driven 21st century 'infotainment' as a primary source for medical advice.

Something can be little-t "true" without being the 'big-T' TRUTH.
If we're using PCR tests that can detect 1 virus particle per nostril...then you may indeed FIND exactly what you're looking for......which is a butt-ton of "positive" Covid victims.

...just like me.
A TB victim.....

 

1 yes. notice I said to serve them, NOT lock them into isolation. that means make sure the people SERVING them are not passing the blessed virus to them. when this started they were "on lockdown" in their nursing home rooms. there were not free to leave, were not free to have visitors. they were told "it's just two weeks" and similar drivel.

2 it can still be corrected today... but throwing your hands up and saying "congress started stealing money from them decades ago, night as well let them continue" doesn't fix it.

3 I'm sorry your money was squandered on useless projects and promises, instead of left alone for you to draw from, when and how you choose. I'm fairly certain if folks drawing their money from the SS chest were no longer taxed in any way, that would probably help a decent amount.

4 negative. read it again, I said to serve and shelter those folks. never once did I say anything about locking anyone away. nope. if they/you/whoever wants to do things/travel/etc great, let em. I'm 100% against "locking them away".

5 yup I'll have a hard time arguing against that. maybe I'm not smart enough, determined enough, or crass enough to try. I do not know.

6 that's a great way to divide the people and get turn them against each other. "small pox is your fault, you need to be locked down until you accept the small pox initiative" .... blame the other group, whatever it is that defines the other group doesn't matter. it's a good distraction from real problems too

7 SARS, or sars-cov-19 ? it's hard to tell when their names are similar. if you adopted "the horse left the barn long ago" idea for YOUR social security, why don't you adopt the same for the blessed virus ? it's out of the barn, ain't it ?

8 blaming vaxxers or anti vaxxers won't change the fact that the blessed virus doesn't care if you're jabbed or not. currently there are several articles that say Delta is the most easily transmitted, with anywhere from .09% to 75% being breakthroughs. this huge swing of ranges leads to a lot more questions, none of which are blame for either group.

 

^ Viruses don't care about feelings, but they ARE affected by vaccinations.

Even the Amish twigged to that while I was growing up in my beloved home state of Indiana...

 

while you're reminding people about things that haven't gone away...

the flu was stamped out by 1/2 the population wearing socks over their faces for two weeks. yuuuuup.

but we're now realizing that the same type of transmission (cough/sneeze/droplets) for the blessed virus version 2point0, can jump through those same face socks AND wiggle it's way past the full vax.

dang this thing is clever !

better start wearing to double face socks, and getting a booster shot for the full vax you just got.

 

seriously though.... no sarcasm at all in this post...

do any of you have theories about how the Delta is able to spread so easily in masked society ?

I'm really curious

 

I just thought it was cool you used the right spelling of affect. half the time I'll use the wrong one, the other half auto correct will do it. that's my excuse