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Four EPA listings 12/16/2021

Discussion in 'EV (Electric Vehicle) Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Dec 16, 2021.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    There is a lot of buzz about these cars from early reviewers which always lack technical precision:
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    What exactly are you saying?

    There is a comparison between two sedans and two SUVs. Typical aerodynamics of the body styles has the sedan doing better than a SUV. For the Hyundai siblings, the Model Y should be the comparison. The standard range AWD one is rated 120mpge with 244 miles range.

    Except for being sedans, the Model 3 SR to Lucid Air is not a like to like comparison. The Model 3 SR is RWD and a little over half the Air's range. The Model 3 LR would be a fairer comparison, with 134mpge and 353 miles of range. Even that isn't fair, because the Air is nearly a foot longer. Its Tesla competitor is really the Model S LR. That is 120mpge and 405 miles range.
    Compare Side-by-Side
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Just sharing recent EPA ratings of models that got a lot of buzz from EU reviewers. Otherwise, ignore.

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    Look at the real world numbers, one car based on a sample size of exactly 2 owners reports. The other three based on no owner reports.

    bwilson's comparison was of vehicles that may actually be available in the US. Do the "Korean" makers have a sedan offering?
     
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    Screen only shows the EPA values of all.

    The Model Y and S are available in the US, so a like to like comparison can easily be done.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    My interest is vehicle efficiency so when these relatively three new models showed up, I selected them. The Tesla is the most efficient benchmark in the EPA list.

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    And Toyota is targeting 125Wh/km in their tiny kei car. Is that comparable? (200Wh/mile)
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I don't remember seeing it in the EPA list. There are more efficient 3-wheel vehicles ... one step removed from a 'compliance' EV.

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    The Prius is one of the most efficient cars with an engine available in the US, but that means diddly squat for someone that needs a minivan.

    The Model Y is the efficiency benchmark for BEV crossovers/SUVs. For large cars, it is now the Lucid Air.
     
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