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  1. gromittoo

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    It is hard to capture in a picture, but the refrigerant line has plenty of clearance. Thanks for pointing out the potential problem.

    My takeaway from all this is that it is a great reason to learn about 3D printing on my friend's 3D printer. With a 3D printed part in ABS plastic, there is the possibility of making it a single piece of curved U channel, that avoids all obstacles that might cause rattles, or cut refrigerant lines. Best of all, I can share the results with other people on PC.
     
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    I like that idea, and I will revisit it when the part from China arrives (earliest date 12/29), and I start routing hoses to the OCC. I have run out of daylight this Sunday before Christmas, and I go back to my seasonal job with UPS tomorrow.
     
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    Yes, I also suggested losing that corner off the bracket as well.

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    So I have completed installing @xliderider's approach Yesterday on my 2013 v. I am very pleased with @xliderider's help. What I really like about this location (as opposed to next to the driver headlight) is that it puts the OCC next to the oil dipstick. If I am thinking about oil level, I would be inclined to check if the can was full.

    Most of the delay in completing this project was waiting for this part from China: Male -AN-6 Flare To M16x1.5 Metric Straight Fitting Metric Adapter Black

    I took pictures, which I will post tomorrow.

    Several things that would be useful to know in advance:
    1) You need two hoses approximately 22 inches long, or 4 feet total per car. Don't forget that you need a 2.5 inch piece of hose to connect the PCV valve to a barb fitting. I used 3/8 inch ID, 1/2 inch OD transmission cooler hose which costs $2.50 per foot at Advance Auto. I bought 6 feet, since I plan to install an OCC on my 2017 v next. Now I need to buy 2 more feet.

    2) The following 1/2 inch Hillman clamps were not big enough to fit over a 1/2 inch OD hose with a barb inside
    (Amazon B00NQ9MZPA):


    I had to buy 5/8 inch clamps: (Amazon B00NQ9MOBU)
    Amazon refunded my 1/2 inch clamps and let me keep them.

    3) The Aluminum bracket should be made from 1 inch by 1 inch Aluminum L stock. My first attempt with 1/2 inch by 3/4 inch L stock was not sturdy enough.

    4) Getting the dimensions of the L bracket right took some doing. I found that 4.75 inches high was too high, and I cut it down to 4.0 inches. Once I trimmed the corner near the engine mount, the bracket lost some of its rigidity. I plan to use this piece as a model for a 3D printed ABS plastic version.​
    Here is a photo of the completed job: Completed.jpg
     
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    Looks good, and yes, the red OCC blends in well with the Barcelona red fender.

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    You don't really need hose clamps, with hose pushed onto (properly sized) barb connectors. The clamps, in particular the screw type, maybe actually be detrimental to the hose.
     
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    I insisted on buying the "Spring Clamp" style, which took two Amazon Purchases to get the right size. Still looking for a spring clamp for the large end of the U-shaped hose. That end of the hose fits comfortably inside a 7/8 inch socket.

    Clamp.JPG

    Back in October, the dealer charged me for 3 OEM clamps, which turned out were of the worm drive variety. Note the marks on the U shaped hose: U-ShapedHoseWormDamage.jpg

    Worm Clamp on Evap Purge Valve:
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    Worm Clamp on Large End of U-Hose
    ScrewClampOnLargeEndU-Hose.jpg

    Worm Clamp on Small End of U-Hose
    ScrewClampOnSmallEndU-Hose.jpg
     
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    Try these.



    Worm drive clamps are not OEM. They are throwbacks to the days when fittings were all metal. With the advent and wide use of plastic fittings, the point directly under the worm screw is subjected to extreme pressure and is a compression stress riser that over time, will result in cracking fittings like radiator hose necks. Either the plastic deforms, if it is ductile or cracks, if it is a brittle thermosetting variety.

    OEM clamps are now even pressure spring loaded "Corbin" types.
     
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    It's generally pretty easy to spot the right clamp part number on the drawings at parts.toyota.com and walk into a dealer and walk out with the clamps in your hand and they'll be the right ones. This may cost a buck or two more than clamps on amazon, but if you count your time as worth anything, it might still beat the time you spend trying to figure out the right ones on amazon to buy and then making multiple purchases.
     
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    On that account, I have a sizable supply of clamps that my dad and his friends purchased over the years in sizes up to two inches. We share and share alike, so we have the right size clamps on hand,

    Up to $9 for one radiator hose clamp is ridiculous.

    https://parts.mcgeorgetoyota.com/oem-parts/toyota-clamp-90466a0019?c=Zz1jb29saW5nLXN5c3RlbSZzPXJhZGlhdG9yLWFuZC1jb21wb25lbnRzJmw9Mzgmbj1Bc3NlbWJsaWVzIFBhZ2UmYT10b3lvdGEmbz1wcml1cy12Jnk9MjAxMiZ0PXR3byZlPTEtOGwtbDQtZWxlY3RyaWMtZ2Fz

    For example, my dad bought these



    in 2014 for $12.32 for a package of ten (10). I have used one, my dad; four; and his friend; two, and we still have five (5) left. To me, that is a good investment.
     
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    $9 bought a box of twenty clamps. It was just the pain of thinking that if I bought a box of twenty 1/2" clamps, they were meant for 1/2" OD hose, and that 1/2" would be in the middle of the grip range. Turns out that 1/2" meant the maximum limit of the spring clamp, which means they fit until you put a hose barb into the hose.

    The 1/2" clamps listing were "Free returns" by Amazon, so I "returned" them. Amazon gave me my money back, and said I could keep the clamps.

    Next, I tried a local Napa Auto, so I could test the clamps before purchase. They don't carry spring clamps at my local store. I wound up ordering a box of 20 5/8" clamps on Amazon, and they fit.

    Now I am looking for the correct clamp for the large end of the U-shaped PCV hose. I suspect either 7/8" or 1" will fit. I will buy both, and return whatever does not fit.
     
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    A bunch of that goes to inventory control. The dealer parts dept. isn't just in the business of having some hose clamps on hand, they're in the business of having whatever obscure part you need either on hand, or telling you "that's in Chicago and will be here by 10 AM tomorrow" and not even adding in shipping.

    For $9 that's kind of magic.
     
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    Worm drive stainless steel clamps were never OEM. They were too expensive to use.

    My dad remembers the zinc plated. sheet steel band clamps that came with Fords in the 1960's. They had a captive square 10-32 square that was tightened with a slotted hex head screw pointed to the center of the circle at the center of the clamp. Tightening the screw pulled up on the sides of the clamp.

    GM products used zinc plated wire clamps made in the same pattern as the worm drive clamps. A captive nut and a slotted hex head nolt pulled the formed ear loops together when tightened.

    He hated the old GM battery clamps the most. They were not tightened with bolts but resembled the current "Corbin" type spring clamps. They were loosened but using pliers to clamp the ears together. As they aged, they almost always lost tension and the connections would fail. Almost all were eventually replaced with clamp on terminals. The screw on side terminals that replaced them weren't much better.
     
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    The OEM has done all the figuring and already has the correct spring clamp up from the end of the hose ready to install on the assembly line. Using the spring clamp is one easy squeeze with an powered set of pliers, That's a labor savings over the screw clamps of yesteryear,

    Aftermarket auto parts stores cannot bother with customers who buy and return clamps based on trial and error and dealers do not want their technicians wasting time trying and fitting clamps. The damage to fitting necks do not immediately occur but years in the future with worm drive clamps. That's beyond the warranty period. Even with lifetime warranty parts, there are disclaimers from improper installation like radiator hose necks.
     
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    1.25 inch deep oil + water, looks like "coffee", with a little sludge in the bottom.
    FirstEmptyAfterTwoMontsh.jpg

    Source of awful Rattle sound (need to tighten Allen Head Screws more than finger tight):
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    Engine moves around a bit; keep 1/2" or so clear to be sure.
     
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    Maybe put a rubber bushing over the exposed bolt, or wedge some rubber between the OCC and the bolt?

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    Did you install the fine mesh stainless steel screen too, or is it just the stock can with a bit of stainless steel potscrubber?

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    I installed one piece of the fine mesh screen. I could not figure out how to attach the fine mesh screen to the input side of the can.

    I am amazed that the can is 1/3 full after only about 3000 to 3500 miles. It is mostly water. We have had a colder winter so far, so I am hoping this is worst case. My intent was to empty it at every 5K oil change. Having the OCC next to the Dipstick makes it easier to remember to check how full it is.
     
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    The Allen bolts that hold the OCC to my bracket had worked their way loose. I had only tightened them finger tight. Recently, I started hearing a clacking sound like the CV joints or the rod bearings were going. It was the OCC hitting that strange bolt head. Re-tightening using an Allen key got rid of the noise.

    I wanted to use "Thumbscrews", but they are not sold in M6x1.0 thread at Lowes. I could have used @xliderider's approach of a cable tie.