Time to give ISS to Russia

We denied China access to use of Space Station because of it's horrific and inhumane leadership... So it makes sense that we kick Russia off the ISS too.

Of course all you Trump crazies want to give your everything to mass-murder dictatorship like Putin's, as if that's what will make America Great again, so I get it...

 

I get that sentiment. Can't see how they can maintain relations withe what's going on in Ukraine.
Problem is, if Russia had to maintain it on their own, how long before it lands one someone's head? Or they weaponize it?

 

Their side controls propulsion, including periodic orbital boosting. Without them, it falls out of orbit.

Our side produces nearly all the electric power. Without us, it goes dark.

I believe its original retirement date was penciled in as 2015. I don't see a full planning history at the moment, but last month it was pushed back to 2030, with burial at sea scheduled for January 2031. So early retirement is not really that large a loss.

Median casualty count of typical uncontrolled re-entry is zero. It seems very hard to imagine a maximum likely casualty count approaching anything resembling what Ukraine has already experienced, or will likely experience in the next 24 hours.

I'm not imagining any practical weaponization, especially when we retain some remote control of on-board functions, especially power production.

 

Does that mean that an uncontrolled re-entry has a 50% chance of creating new people?

 

Concur.
Give Musk two jobs:
1. Orbit a marshmallow and collect the non-Russians….and any Russians who want to defect.
B. Dynamically de-orbit the ISS. (Might require another Dragon flight)

 

doesn't musk buy his engines from russia?

 

WWIII coming? Next move, China takes Taiwan. (Sorry, didn't want to start another thread).

Maybe we shouldn't go to Hawaii at the end of the month, just to be safe?....

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

When he first started SpaceX he went to Russia to try to buy a rocket and was swindled. He's been building his own rockets and engines ever since...

But in general, I'm astonished how many disgusting pro-putin commenters there are in this thread. I guess Trump really did make Americans dumb enough to support Russia. And as awful, immoral and wrong war is, I'm grateful that Ukraine is defending their country and Russia is getting its butt kicked because they dispersed their troops too much and are failing at a swift takeover because they didn't expect to get massacred by all the civilians who were recently given weapons... The Russian-Trumpers in the US will eventually face a similar fate of their own making.

 

Chapter 3 IS the next chapter…..

You’ll probably be OK to travel for a little while.
It will take a while for Russia to digest their last meal…and so far the PRC hasn’t gotten a definitive statement from Biden that we would not involve ourselves directly if the PRCs tangle with the ROCs…

They’re still in the prep stage…..

 

I haven't counted any pro-Putin posts in this thread. Are those not showing up for me? I'm seeing the post numbers in unbroken sequence, and I don't think I have any of the participants blocked.

 

Should have realized Russians don't play by the rules, aka doping scandal....

Ever read Ancient Art of War? Not too fond of it personally....

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

This thread?
My version of PC must be infected by Russian bots, because Im reading posts about kicking Russians out and de orbiting the ISS.

 

All it really means is that in simple majority of uncontrolled re-entry events, there have been no casualties.

Expanding on that, I'm seeing only two ground casualty events ever. In 1969, 5 sailors on a Japanese ship were injured by Soviet debris. And in 1997, an Oklahoma woman was tapped on the shoulder by a soda-can-sized piece of USAF debris.

With such a track record, I don't think ground risk of falling ISS debris is significant compared to what is happening in Ukraine right now.

 

Who? Please name them.

 

I think you mean The Art of War by Sun Tzu The most important lesson in that book is that war only happens when there is a lack of information on both sides about capabilities. When both sides are well informed about their opponent's abilities, the outcome is avoidable. But when Russia thinks its hundreds of thousands of troops are superior and then twitter is flooded with Russia tanks running out of gas and Ukrainian citizens ambushing Russian soldiers, who are mostly untrained and were lied to about their "training misison" there's a huge number of soldiers surrendering and becoming POWs. It's all just so wrong and senseless and it's happening in real time live on Twitter and there's no real way of knowing the truth yet.

 

PRC tangle with ROC? Or work together? Getting nervous by the minute. My wife's at Sam's Club. (Getting my free B-day burger at Red Robin). I told her to start stocking up.

Are the US and it's allies in a position to stop both?

@PriusCamper While I like that idea I thought it was (didn't read the book) defend when weak, attack when strong...

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

If I'm reading that right, you've covered the cases "lack of information on both sides" and "both sides well informed".

What does it say about cases with one side more and one side less informed?

 

The point is that wars happen when one or both sides are not well-informed... And in this case, if the early reports are proving to be true, had Russia knew the level of resistance ordinary citizens of Ukraine were going to present, combined with weaknesses in Russia fuel supply to tanks and risk of russian soldiers deserting/surrendering because they were lied to about "training" exercises, the Russians would of planned to take over only the bare minimum of the Ukraine, like the dam that was built that's depriving several million Russians in Crimea of a stable water supply.

But who knows, the first casualty of the war is the truth. One thing we do know is this isn't the only time Russia has invaded the Ukraine and Ukrainian culture has a long history of surviving and fending off these attacks. And on the other side you have to remember that Russia under Stalin's horrific 30 year reign killed off 20 million Russians and WWII resulted in the death of 27 million more, though there's some overlap, so the young Russian soldiers of today have that family history as only 100 million or so remained after Stalin reign of terror was over.

As in the Russian culture of going to war is not a culture of victory, by a culture of mass extermination by the leader who is ordering them to fight and kids these days in Russia aren't willing to go down like that. Putin's days are numbered. You can clearly see that in the amount of distance he's putting between himself and everyone else in the room when he has meetings of late.