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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Wrecit, Apr 12, 2022.

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    Check engine light came on son's 2008 Prius with cat codes. Not excited about it but I can weld so no problem.

    Pulled the exhaust to grind the old weld and the last guy was a guerilla welder. No problem a careful saw zall off the cat then do final grind right?

    The cut went perfect, pulled the cat and the pipe to exhaust is a whole 3/4 inch on the top side and 3/8 inch on the low side. It seems prior owner was a victim of some scum bag. Going to take a little skill and blocking on the bench to get everything lined up but did a dry fit and got marks to get it lined up right.

    Damn I hate scum bags
     
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    I bought cheapest Harbor Freight flux welder used for a great price to avoid situations like this. It's comforting to know I have it, but haven't started practicing yet, which is not comforting.

    Any tips on the best way to go about learning? I watched lots of you tube videos on welding but that just made me wish I had a TIG welder, which I can't afford.
     
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    Tig is an art form, mig welding is for hobby lol. I currently have the old black HF core welder and can do ok with it. Core welding while most call it mig is NOT mig imo.

    Core welding has alot of splatter you don't get with real gas mig welding. The HF unit is good to learn on but it will take alot of practice to stack dimes with it.

    To learn since you watches videos the next step is grab some 1/8 inch scrap metal and start running beads. Don't worry about pretty just learn to go straight on a flat piece of metal. After maybe 10 runs or so you should get the feel for the setting (play with wire speed a little. Next set up a right angle and start learning to work the puddle up the side and back to the flat surface.

    One hint is even after you are "experienced" always run a few 2 to 3 inch beads on some flat surface to check settings and muscle memory before striking an arch on what you plan to work on.

    I am currently doing an enclosed trailer conversion into a camper which has alot of welding. On day 2 of welding my first 2 welds looked like hell (what I call guerilla welds, strong but ugly) because I did not run some practice first.
     
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    I will be doing some welding later this week. If I remember I will post a few pix to show what the machine can do
     
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    Thanks for this valuable information... The more I learn about welding steel the more the little kid in me throws a fit and says I just wanna learn how to weld aluminum. Like I could afford that? Lol.

    Looking forward to any pics you can share, especially about how you connect the new cat to the resonator...
     
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    You will never see my cat weld lol. It will never fail but round pipe is not easy for me and it turned out real ugly. Thankfully it will never be seen unless he rolls his car
     
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    Lol... That's almost as smart as guy who worked at auto parts store and gave me his welding advice: "Just remember all you gotta do is take a grinder to it and no one will ever question the quality of your welds."

    And then there's tik-tok... I sometimes get videos of employers having their mind blown by people who interview for a welding job who show them test welds in their shop. Some of the best welds I've seen and its funny when they refuse the job...

    The best one I saw was last night when the welds were perfect in every way but can't find it now. The dude refused the job because he didn't think their equipment settings were right and that made him not trust them. Here's a couple others that are almost as impressive here: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdQrDdyx/
    and here: https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdQr6U9M/
     
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    My father was a millwright welder and he told me back in the 70's "if you have to grind your welds that makes you a grinder not a welder" lol.
    That's why no matter how ugly a weld I make is I rarely grind it.
     
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    Just thought of another bit of advice. You can never have to many grinders. You should have 1 good grinder you use for cutting material and/or grinding.

    Personally I have one for cutting disks, 1 for grinding disks, one for flapper wheels, and one with a wire wheel attachments. 1 is a metabo (my good one) one is a Hilti (good also) and 3 harbor freight ones. It's nice not having to switch attachments while working.

    Also always clean the metal you are going to weld with at least a wire wheel (flapper disk is preferred) scale and or rust really makes clean welds near impossible
     
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    Practice, practice, practice. You want good protective clothing (leather jacket, long pants, boots, cap)and long gloves because flux core throws A LOT of spatter. A big helmet with a large lens. (Auto darkening is great if you can $$, as flip up ones kinda suck in comparison).

    As mentioned, you need clean metal for the weld, and a clean solid connection for the ground clamp (closer to the weld area is usually better).

    A powerful but cheap LED light- you really want to be able to see the work - esp the weld pool- as you weld. Go for as large of a weld pool that you can without blowing through the material. You can have what looks like a decent weld until you chip off the slag.

    Really, I got a cheap Lincoln wire feed welder almost 30 years ago, but before I had used up a couple spools of flux core, I went and got the Mig conversion kit and a small gas bottle for it. Haven't gone back and that little welder is still in use at my shop.

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    I've been a metal fabricator for 25+ years so just an extra $.02 here.

    While gasless flux core wire is easy enough to learn to weld with, it is not ideal for exhaust welding. Gas shielded hard wire (traditionally what's known as MIG, officially GMAW) is easier to learn and as one poster already stated throws way less spatter around. I'd suggest buying the smallest bottle of shielding gas you can find, and switching to hard wire (the spec you want is ER70). You'll also need a regulator but most new welders will come with one. For shielding gas I highly recommend getting a mix of 75% Argon/25% CO2 which seems to be industry standard. You can use straight CO2 as shielding gas but it too will throw more spatter. The good thing about hardwire for automotive is that it comes in a wide variety of diameters which gives you the option to really dial it in for whatever you are welding. The thicker the wire, the higher you generally have to set your power to run it, or if you don't, you have to set your wire feed speed much slower. This can become problematic at really low settings. Remember, you are trying to weld exhaust pipe which is fairly thin. I'd suggest going with either .023" or .030" wire. .030 is great because you can run it at low enough power settings to deal with exhaust welding but I've also had no trouble welding as thick as 3/16" with it on a 110 volt welder. The advantage of .023 is that it is the best for body work, as you can really dial it down, but it will still do fine on exhaust.

    Also, very important, you need to switch welding polarity when running hardwire/gas as opposed to flux core. For hardwire you need your ground to be negative and your gun to be positive. For flux core you need a positive ground and negative at the gun. If you don't do this you will have all kinds of trouble and probably not realize why. This is usually accomplished by opening the side of the machine where you install the wire, and switching the two leads that come from your ground and gun leads into the welder. Newer machines should actually have a placard inside that shows you how to do it.

    Also I agree with the other poster who said practice. Devote a day to it. Then when you get reasonably comfortable with your welds, try to weld in an uncomfortable position. Again, remember you are trying to weld exhaust here. What will be tricky for the inexperienced is welding bars to your exhaust. The only advice I can give here is to try to establish your puddle on the thicker material then quickly wash it on to the thinner and then back before it has a chance to burn through. It's okay to do short stitch welds too. MIG is very easy to do that with. Having said all that, it can still be tricky for me after all these years. I'd suggest getting the actual materials you will use to practice with before you get started on your Prius.

    Hope this helps.

    Edit to add: Also don't forget to buy the appropriate size welding tip for the wire diameter you use regardless of what type of wire it is.
     
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