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    I have cut open modules for years my friend, but thank you for your misplaced phobia
     
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    I guess I need to get an extra pirate patch for mah eye
     
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    err umm you can get much better results going to 3 volts than just 6 volts err umm, no dont ask me to provide any detailed documentation on that or perform the operation live for you and post the results live via google sheets so you can follow along, just believe my expertise Lmao
     
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    You can also buy iron oxide, aluminum powder and magnesium strips off amazon and make thermite.
    You can also buy a pack of Styrofoam cups off there and make napalm when mixed with gasoline.
    Your local sporting good stores sells tannerite, which a 5 gallon bucket of when shot with a rifle can level a small house.
    You can also buy bleach and ammonia on there, making a noxious gas similar to mustard gas.
    You can also buy brake fluid on there, which mixed with bleach will provide a very volatile exothermic reaction.
    So I'm not really sure what your point is...
     
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    lol man you should do stand up

    what about running with scissors ?????

    i really like the attention you paid to me to write all of that. :rolleyes:

    you are better to me than my wife
     
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    Live? You do realize this is a several day process? I'm not uploading a multi hour long video.
    I have plenty of data, and will post a spreadsheet once I'm finished.
     
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    LOLOL ^^^^^^^^
    OMG
    THIS THREAD HAS OVER 7,000 VIEWS, I NEED TO PUT ON PANTS

    you HAVE plenty of data
    you will post it when you are FINISHED

    Lmao lol im rolling here, you need to go on the road
     
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    Most normal people have a healthy fear of caustic chemicals. Here's what KOH does to chicken, now imagine that's your hand..

    I didn't realize being cautious of dangerous chemicals is a "phobia".
     
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    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSUwpy6EV3PCKlGJ5-ltL-NWOI5AdMVAn_r8ARA8z5gmBrgxRaK_b1ynBGoqyxqETpf4SnRHk9JjQ8Z/pub?output=pdf

    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS__vzcqZ9l9zUHDBqmNCi5_BpB9V0ONOkhcBzlbF_qxc1adi0gMYYgyoOf3YT0JZnApWRviCc2E7sZ/pub?output=pdf

    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTqOr1aG21HmhEe1UytN6DJsx3XNHJPGLOJpMXcwNNHMwbWjCEtd6zq0fcl3MDKh66iCnTpJL5McGil/pub?output=pdf

    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTl4JLzOw1nsapjoGlqDtTIHd9UMrgPD4_DH5R04nQcvznddF76PXzNqxjqzjgD3e-2jbhuPXRsd8IO/pub?output=pdf





    guess who ? Lmao
     
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    dissolves chicken to the bone , man, they should use that for drain cleaner
     
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    They do, and a pressurized container of KOH heated to about 300F will dissolve an entire human body in as little as 3 hours.

    Definitely a chemical to have a healthy fear of.
     
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    you know, if I went on a site's thread that had 7,000 views where the vast majority are READING IT and not interacting, and suddenly started posting alarmist content and just plain old crazy stuff, i think the VAST MAJORITY of the VIEWERS might think, I'm a nut lol
    they might also question the veracity of my historic posts within the community



    for the record, could care less if i am here, or not, i will go away once the weather breaks anyhow lol
     
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    I won't be able to sleep tonight, I left that NIMH Module outside my front door with the hydrating IV on drip drip drip, it may become self aware, like skynet, spit on the door knob with its A.L.I.E.N. like caustic saliva, burn its way in, and dissolve me in my sleep, that's where my mind should be now, i guess.

    The British are coming the British are coming by sea by sea.
     
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    Yes, MAGIC
    As in, the magic of I have to sleep sometime and there are 20 modules to performance review how they REACTED to the multiple drains to 6 volts at lesser and lesser amp loads (which, it turns out, worked far better than draining to 3 volts with no risk of damage to the modules that is present by going under 6 volts)
    T I M E lol
    I guess I COULD have done the two steps in sequence, mod 1 drain to 6, over and over, then tested capacity, still would have taken a week, but by doing all the drains first, then the tests, I achieved my GOAL of ALSO getting a LEAK DOWN test which indeed found ONE MODULE that LEAKS ALL ITS POWER if it sits for a week, and that would have played havoc in my car

    Its called test planning and maximum return on investment of testing costs


    seriously, the above was a legitimate question ?
    this reaks or T R O L L I N G at this point
     
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    I had two different Honda hybrid sticks from BumbleBee Battery of Portland, OR., earliest design pop/explode on discharge at the place where the cells are welded together during covid in on christmas day 2020 in my place. I immediately ventilated the room and no electrolyte spilled, but being away from family due to pandemic and the loud pops were a really dark time in my life and haven't spent much time working on Honda stick since.

    More to the point a thermal camera that plugs into your phone is an essential tool of hybrid battery work. I've found bad cells running hot that I'd of never eliminated via all the other tests and having that information could also save you from an injury.
     
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    Can you at least make a PDF and share the link to the NiMH chapter in that $3K book on battery chemistry? I'm intrigued about a lack of papers published for NiMH crystallization and that notion changes how I explain why a pack that hasn't been reconditioned fluctuates like crazy on SOC, but after 3 rounds of deep cycling is nearly as stable on SOC as a brand new pack?
     
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    I found this while searching about NiMH crystallization.
    https://batteryregeneration.net/le-regenerateur-brt10-regenere-les-batteries-nimh-de-toyota-prius/?lang=en
    But I can't find any for sale, and it looks very expensive, especially having a color screen.

    I did, however find this rather fancy quad channel hobby charger with color screen and usb connection.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/374186220519?hash=item571f3c9be7:g:vP8AAOSwUnBi21qG

    If I had to do it all over again, would probably use a quad channel charger to speed things up.

    OH!!! I did FINALLY find something about these dang crystals!
    https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/technical-documents/technical-article/materials-science-and-engineering/batteries-supercapacitors-and-fuel-cells/metal-hydrides-nimh-batteries

    Turns out..not all NiMH batteries are created equal, and the NiMH batteries in hybrid cars are of a different chemical makeup than other NiMH batteries (which would explain why they last longer).

    There is also very little research online, for whatever reason, about what causes diminished capacity in NiMH batteries.
     
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    I did that many posts back at the bottom of the page when i disclosed that research bible

    its right below HERE I SAVE YOU ALL 3,000 DOLLARS (the cost of the science paper)
     
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    Plenty of science articles on nimh degradation, majority are electrolyte dryout, as we are seeing in my data posted here ,they need water

    researchgate.net/publication/296625390_Capacity_Degradation_Mechanisms_in_NickelMetal_Hydride_Batteries
     
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    The BRT10 regenerator
    lol seriously ????
    a company that makes a nicad regen machine finds itself left out in the cold when industry departs nicad for nimh, which has no crystal issues like nicad does, so they themselves IV&V and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY Lmao their own nicad product as not being a dinosaur and having a place in NIMH.

    And you post it here, I like their reference to work in Moscow also lol

    you need to scroll up and read about nimh crystals and coherent twin boundaries (page 3 here)
    the crystals do not impede the battery, the corrosion of the coherent twin boundaries does.
    removing any naturally forming crystals will NOT remove the corrosion of the coherent twin boundaries

    to prevent that corrosion, you must PROACTIVELY remove the crystals as they are created, as in while driving your car or routinely pulling the pack out and servicing each module on some schedule, good luck with that (that assumes a method even exists to remove the crystals)

    THE BRT10 WAS MADE FOR LEAD ACID BATTERIES
    HERES THE MANUAL
    manualzz.com/doc/7336449/ve-service-manual-brt10

    not wanting to lose out on a growing market, and as use of lead based batteries in forklifts dropped in favor of nickel, they threw it out there for nicad and i guess now nimh
    cause you know, they have the same chemical process as lead acid lol

    i didnt bother reading it, searches for the word LEAD returned hits, searches for nickle cadmium nicad nimh, nothing, RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST SOLUTIONS

    If the BRT10 process works then just go buy and lead acid charger that has a DE-SULFATION mode cause thats all the brt10 does, de-sulfates lead plates. clue it wont work on nickel based lol

    i do like that you are scouring the internet and burning up google to take me down, keep it up, you might learn something, but you have to READ your own source material and comprehend it, not just go HERE WE GO and throw it in the thread and hope no one checks it out lol

    clue: dont use ivermectin for covid, i have tons of ivermectin here btw, but as you google you MAY find references to it and covid, just a heads up, doesnt work regardless of what your search prowess discovers lol

    lead based


    lead based
     
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