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Master Caution, Overheating, No Cabin Heat, P1116

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Zackski, Jun 15, 2022.

  1. Zackski

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    Hello, I've just joined the forum. My friend has an '08 Prius, and it's had problems since he bought it earlier this year. After driving for about 20-30 minutes, the master caution and overheat warning will come on intermittently. Cabin heat will also stop and blow cold air. He took it to his mechanic, but the guy was unable to figure out the issue, he also had 0 experience with hybrids. The OBDII threw P1116, and we replaced the coolant heat storage tank temperature sensor on our own, though that did nothing. I'm assuming the reader he has is not designed for the car. We did our best to bleed the coolant system, but while going through the process, coolant begins to overflow through our funnel in the radiator cap, and the cabin heat turns off until we restart the car, then everything continues normally. We've tried bleeding it a couple of times, and it seems to get better each time, but I'm not optimistic. He's probably going to take it to the dealer tomorrow. Does anybody know what's going on? Could it just be air in the system, or is something else going on?
     
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    Sounds to me like you have air somewhere maybe one of the three electric pumps isn't pumping something like that it's good to know I'll get a something on overheat I didn't know this car even had a overheating. Which I've never seen hell I can't even get my priest to get to normal operating temperature of every other car I own and I don't try I just don't care I mean anytime you get out and touch the top of the engine on the Prius or the top and bottom hose they're holdable on any other car not so much
     
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    If the cooling system seems to work THEN he gets overheating and loses heater function- my first guess is that there is a head gasket fault. Air trapped in the system usually doesn't give "heater works then doesn't" symptoms. A bad thermostat can cause overheating but usually not heater-blows-cold concerns.

    Some tests a shop can perform: pressure test the cooling system overnight- the next day pull the plugs and inspect the cylinders with a videoscope for coolant. Or perform a leakdown test (position each cylinder at top dead center with the valves closed and pressurize with 100-150 psi air)- most any H/G leak will allow pressure to build in the cooling system.

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    Don't take it to the Stealership... They're nothing but misery. Follow @mr_guy_mann 's advice above! But seems like a bad thermostat so test to confirm that before anything else.
     
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    We tried to diagnose a possible head gasket problem earlier. We do see bubbles in the coolant reservoir coming from the engine inlet, along with exhaust that seems misty. The RPM also seemed to bob slightly. Aside from that, there's no white smoke, and no discolored coolant. We'll try to figure out if the thermostat is the issue, though head gasket seems possible.
     
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    I have a bit of an update on the situation. We replaced the thermostat and it seems to work as it should. We've tested it, and it seems that once the coolant temperature reaches around 180-190, hot coolant begins to flow out of the engine.

    We also bled the system once more, both the CHS tank and heater core. We are fairly certain that the tank was bled fully, but we're unsure about the heater core. We drove around for a little while today and things were working great. We decided to put on the heat for a while to see if that worked, and things started to go wrong.

    Once we turned on the heat, we were getting hot air for a while, and the coolant temp briefly dropped from it's range of around 180F-190F to 170F-180F. After a while, it began heating up to the level it was at before. Eventually, the heater began to blow cold unless we were accelerating. While accelerating, the heater started to blow at max heat again, until we let off the gas. At this point, coolant temp would fluctuate from around 180F-200F. We decided to turn off the heater, and parked for a little bit to listen for air. I believe I heard one or two small pops, though I wasn't positive. We idled in a parking lot before returning home, and the temp briefly reached 215F before returning to around 200F.

    When we began to drive home, the coolant temp rapidly spiked to around 250F, giving us the master caution and engine overheat warnings. The temperature would then fluctuate quite rapidly from around 230F-270F depending on our acceleration until we parked it back home. The heater never worked during this time.

    When we shut the car off, we believe we heard some more bubbling, and the engine coolant reservoir seemed to be near overflowing, with bubbles appear on the passenger side of the reservoir. It also felt like the engine was bucking as we were returning home. There were no check engine lights, and no codes stored on the system that would indicate misfires. The bucking of the engine was the only possible symptom of a head gasket issue that we noticed. The coolant is still the proper color, and the exhaust looks and feels normal.

    There have still been no codes since we cleared the original one in this thread's title.

    So now, I have a few more questions.
    1. Is it possible that the system was just not bled properly, and that bubbles in the heater core caused the problem?
    2. Is it also possible for excessive temperature to cause engine bucking through some other mechanism than a head gasket fault?
    3. If everything is working properly, what should the coolant temperature look like on the OBDII?
     
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    On our gen 3 persona 2013 with the recent engine and transmission replaced our engine at a head gasket leak and then broke the connecting rod at the little end in the engine and still rotated and didn't make a huge racket was just wildly out of balance before the head gasket we had no indications other than a slight hesitation when either the transmission from hybrid to ice or from ice to hybrid there was a stutter there was never any smoke oil usage was non-existent nothing just all of a sudden that open deck was wide open and then the rod broke after we put the head gasket and all that stuff in the rod let go on the way home I wasn't there when they had the head off to look inside the door I think I would have seen what was going on it looks like it was pretty easy to see The kid that was working on the car not so much doesn't have a clue about anything but parts replacement and that was my fault.
     
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    Any time this occurs, you should stop the engine immediately and let the engine cool off. However, any damage that was going to happen has been done now.
    Although it might be moot now, what is the level in the actual radiator when you remove the radiator cap (when it is cold, of course) and look down the filler neck?
     
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    Well, I have a bit of an update. So we tried to replace the thermostat, that wasn't the issue. He took it to a few mechanics who tried their own fixes. In the end I believe the 3-way valve and a water pump were replaced, but that didn't fix anything. The head gasket was checked, but was undamaged. We finally found out that there was a crack in the engine block, so the car is likely dead. I'm not sure how nobody noticed that.
     
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    Because it's very hard to see that should be on the not the oil pan but the next section up from the oil pan in between the girdle and the head A rod is probably come undone or something and smacked that little piece of aluminum and knocked it right right out put a hole in it I have a picture here but I can't post here it's cumbersome but apparently this is really common so the cars are driving fine and makes no noise but as a hole in the engine wow been it must have been done by something flying up off the road I can't imagine what and you would have certainly known about it usually when the rod breaks the car will still start but it will make you turn it off immediately it'll scare the HE double out of you so not sure what you got.