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02 sensors..Denso, Bosch or NTK?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Prius92, Aug 27, 2022.

  1. Prius92

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    Replacing the catalytic converter and want to replace the A/F sensor and 02 sensor while it's all apart.

    Any brand "better" than the others? I know the no-name brands on Amazon seem to have poor reviews.
     
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    The Bosch or the Nippon denzo on nice products and you can get them reasonable if you shop around you don't have to buy fakes etc and that should do you. And you're following the other link of the guy that's done all this work and can't get to 0420 code to go away either That's the catalyst low threshold business so it looks like unless you buy a factory converter or it's equal looks like the lights there to stay I'm going to have my dash apart again I'm tempted to just make the check engine light go away I checked the car too often to worry about it so if I want to leave something silly plugged up that's an option but the check engine light glowing orange just because of a stupid code like this is piss poor I'm tending not to even believe if I get a factory converter and it doesn't turn it off I would be ripping pissed so because of the no mileage effect and all that to me it's not worth having to get worked up like that
     
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    Can you get to the upstream from underneath at all?
     
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    I'm looking at the upstream a lot I'm always got the hood up it looks to me like you're going to get it from up top with the right socket I have I can't remember what size it is but it's the one with the slot in it for the wire and all that business you get that on there in a long extension and you'll be able to crack it loose I do believe I may try it today
     
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    I am sorry I should reiterate or should say you will need to move the inverter That's going to need to at least come forward and then the bracket that holds the suction line Mark l on the gray cap of your air conditioning system needs to come loose from under the inverter it's one bolt and you need to push it aside you don't have to bend it and then you can get your socket on two the O2 sensor and then you'll be able to plug your extension into that I believe and I'll use my half inch bar breaker bar just to make the initial turn and then run it out by hand or with my electric ratchet and then reverse to put it back in there's no way to do it without moving the inverter. I might could have done it when I had the catalytic converter out and unbolted from the manifold I think there might have been enough room to reach up then so it's either move the inverter or move the converter pick your poison to me it seems quicker to move the inverter. Good luck
     
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    Go with (genuine) Toyota or Denso (the supplier to Toyota for these sensors).

    I would only buy from a "reputable" online source - dealer, rockauto, etc, or a brick and mortar dealer or large supplier.

    Ebay and amazon could have counterfeit parts.

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    Welp, maybe YouTube isn't always as smart as the people on it proclaim.

    You can absolutely get to the upstream sensor from below and without having to tear apart all the trim and stuff around the wiper blades (which use clips that easily break).
     
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    I don't think I said you'd have to tear up any trim it looks like it'll be a long reach or you'll set the socket with your hand and use a 3/8 very long ratchet that'll stick down enough so you can wamp on it loosen the thing. Once it's loose you can probably reach your hand up there be a bit contorted and twist it out me it seems just to move four bolts and move the inverter aside I can even stretch the hoses that are on the inverter pump a little bit mine are a little longer anyway because of another reason so I don't even have to get under the car or pick it up in that case.
     
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    And I'm not sure about the wiper trim I take the wiper trim off all the time it seems like for some reason or another and I don't think there's any clips that break the wiper tray lays on top of the pieces that go back in the car and clips on. And the few clips and push through tight pins that are up there are all available from dorman and advance Auto for relatively cheap you certainly not replacing these every time you take this apart you might replace them every 10 years due to UV rays and heat or something along those lines both the two cars I drive the 13 and the '09 have new push pins and clips all around the plastic in the front it was just time and now they'll last until I'm probably bedridden for life or something.
     
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    Why the $#@$@# do they put this dumb "cage" around the upstream sensor so you HAVE to use a socket?

    It's %$@#$ pointless. I could of had it out so much more easily with a large crescent wrench.
     
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    That's correct it sits in a well or in a little hole that you have to have the correct socket with the slot in it for the wire and all that I had to buy one of those like 25 years ago now they're cheap as hell you can buy them for like $12 at any parts store they used to cost about a hundred bucks
     
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    30+ years of swinging a wrench has me convinced that there has to be SOME form of conspiracy between car designers and tool makers.

    I've got a really big drawer packed full of specialty drivers. Allens (reg & metric, long & short, ball-end), torx: (reg, stubby, long, "security", torx+, torx+ "security", female driver sockets & wrenches), german 12 point (triple square), Toyota 12 point (double hex), 10 point, mor-torq, and probably a few I can't remember.

    Thousands of dollars for a bunch of different tools that all "do the same thing".

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    I think the problem is you have different engineers working on different areas of the car, so you have one working on the suspension, and one on the engine, and one on the exhaust, etc. When they all put their designs together, some revise it, if possible, and I think others just go "f it".

    That's how you end up with that one Ford truck that you have to unbolt the cab from the frame to get to one part (common part that gets replaced, but don't remember which), or this oil filter in some Subaru's people call the "ring of fire".

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    In the case of the Prius sensor..the socket Autozone sold me was too thick on the walls to fit in that little well of hell. Even if I could have gotten it to fit, it would of not cleared for a ratchet or breaker bar.

    I had to end up getting my sawsall in there to cut a notch in the well, and use small pliers to shear the rest of it off, and finally a pair of pliers to unscrew it.

    Got a P0420 a while later. Going to have to move the sensor out farther, I read a spark plug non fouler will work.
     
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    I'm not sure it's the upper one you want to space out and if you use a spark plug fowler be very careful they're made a cheap metal and they'll run red and they may break I had one break used as a spark plug fowler not as a spacer for an O2 sensor though but it caused a major problem when it messed up of course it wouldn't cause a major problem as an O2 sensor space or because the car will run even if it falls off and have a little noise but it'll run just fine I think it's only the lower one that needs to be spaced out and for that usually you use a 90° swivel and has a nut to stabilize it wherever you set the swivel so it sets the O2 sensor from going across the pipe like the water valve in the off position and turns the O2 sensor running with the pipe like the water's turned on and then you can swing the O2 sensor up and down from the floorboard of the car down towards the ground anywhere in there and lock it down with a locking nut. But as far as I know it's only the lower one and my little adapter that does this has a piece of the catalytic converter material in the lower portion of it so it has its own little catalytic converter for the O2 sensor spacer weird..
     
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    The non-fouler works as a spacer, they just sell them at parts stores, they don't with the o2 spacers.

    Yes, it's the downstream you want to space out. The reading of the DS sensor has no bearing on gas mileage, it's a "sniffer" for the ECU to make sure the cat is working properly.

    If you put the sensor back where it was, the aftermarket cats don't remove as much, hence why they are $75 instead of $350+ for an EPA complaint one or $1200+ or a new OEM one.

    So the ECU will think the cat has failed, if you space the sensor out, it's not directly in the exhaust stream and shouldn't trigger the code.