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Anti skid, ABS, “Brake” ((!)) (brake warning) lights are on

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  1. veggiecar

    veggiecar Junior Member

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    I have read posts regarding this topic however I have a few additional questions

    2012 Prius 247,000 miles

    The Anti skid, ABS, “Brake” ((!)) (brake warning) lights are on. They turned off for a few miles then came back on.

    I have seen mention of “Blink Test” to determine the code for the fault using a jumper between terminal 4 and 13. Where on the car is the ECU located? How do you read the codes?

    Brakes feel a little different and work fine but the warning lights are on.

    No regen when braking with the warning lights on.

    What failures or conditions will cause the lights to come on?

    I suspect the pads need to be changed. I heard a lights brushing sound every time the wheel went around.

    Brake fluid level seems fine.

    Is there a way to check if one of the wheel sensors is bad? I saw a YouTube video that showed the mechanic using a multi meter and checking for continuity across the sensor by putting a probe on each side of the connector. Another thought I had was to buy a new front wheel sensor ($25) and plugging it into each wheel’s connector. If one of the wheel sensors was bad would a good sensor turn the lights off? While I know that the rear and front sensors are quite different, could you plug a front sensor into the rear sensor connector just to check and see if a replacement would fix the problem?
     
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    You're on the right track. Those terminals aren't on the ECU, so you don't need to know where that is. The terminals are on the car's diagnostic port, facing down at the driver's knees under the dash. Terminal 4 is also called CG and 13 is alled Tc. If you keep searching this forum on those search terms, you're bound to find posts with the connector illustrated and the right terminals shown, and that explain how to count off the two-digit codes that blink on the dash warning lights when you turn the car ON with the terminals jumped.

    There are a couple hundred, so just listing them all out isn't very practical; it's much more helpful to get your own trouble codes and post them here and then ask "so, what do these mean?".

    If that's the issue, the trouble code will tell you, and even tell you which wheel.
     
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    Try an Innova branded scanner w an ABS button . It'll pull most of the ABS codes out for you and get you to what you need to be seeing pretty quick at least mine does and it's cheap came from advance Auto was like 39 or $49 and believe it or not it reads a lot more than I would have ever expected
     
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    Thanks you for the info... I’ll check it out.
     
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    Might be random but my abs light came on when my rear tail light wire was loose and the light was not working correctly from removing the tail light with it plugged in. The connection on the rear tail light (not the harness connection but on the harness where the two wires attach at the light for the led brake light) affected my abs sensors and plugging it back in properly fixed the issue.The plug slides out of a little slot and there’s a connection under there where two wires attach.
     
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    I believe I found the car’s diagnostic port and the terminals to place the jumper. I have attached an image. Please confirm if this is correct... Thanks so much

    Once you connect the jumper, how do you start the car? I have seen some people press the start button twice without stepping on the brake. Is this the procedure? Or do you start the car normally?
     

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    Looks like it matches the pictures you'd find in those other threads, so that looks ok.

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    There's some terminology that's kind of standard about having the car OFF, ACC, ON, or READY, and you probably want to have those straight just as a general rule, even outside of getting your diagnostics. Older cars would have keys you could turn from OFF to ACC or ON or START, and it's about the same deal. You do not have to START (or READY) the car to read codes. ON is fine. ON is two pushes without the brake.
     
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    Hopefully I was able to interpret the blinking lights correctly. ABS 42, ((!)) 69, Anti Skid 45
    A link to a 19 second video on my iCloud account shows the blinking lights: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0fbn-svYkSQxyimZ52w3Ytxjw

    Can anyone tell me what these codes mean... Thanks so much ...
     
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    You can find them explained in this post here. That car also had a tire pressure code in the mix, so just disregard that one. The others are the same you've got.
     
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    Sounds expensive... the car has 247,000 miles on it.
     
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    Very expensive . Gen3 that is a lot of miles unless in extreme good condition or very great trim level. I doubt I would. Walk right over to my Gen2 till I figure what to do .
     
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    A little additional info: I hear a light buzzing sound that is the same as when you turn the car off. I suspect it is the brake pump operating. It is cycling continuously with half a second on, two seconds off. There is plenty of fluid in the brake reservoir and no fluid on the ground. This sounds like a confirmation of an internal leak mentioned earlier.

    I have read about the replacement policy Toyota has regarding these parts. If you car has the code indication (1391) the part is a problem they will replace it if it occurred before August 2021. If your car has been in service for less than 10 years and has less than 150,000 miles they will replace it. My question is: Does anyone know of an instance where Toyota has replaced for free or discounted this job for a high mileage car (such as mine) that has been in service for less than 10 years? Just want to be prepared to be laughed at when I ask the local service rep.

    Additionally, is there a less expensive way to have the car repaired other than going to the dealership?
     
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    The JDM engine stores have these brake parts for Gen 3's generally in stock like 150 bucks for each piece or something like that I checked into it when I bought my engine and transmission The guy said there was no problem and they could probably get something for the gen 2 also . Just call any of their stores and they'll tell you what to have and they'll give you some kind of warranty too you put it on and it doesn't work they'll send you another one something they're pretty easy to deal with
     
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    Another observation. Today I worked on the brakes and changed the front pads and rotors. I am not a mechanic and can only do what I see in videos or read in instructions. The job went well. On the box the brake pads came in it said to break the pads and rotors in you should accelerate to 30 and brake to 5. You should do this 30 times. After time twenty, all of the warning lights went out. I still hear what I believe to be the booster pump coming on every 3-4 seconds. But the lights are out and the regen is working.
     
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    Every 3-4 seconds even if you're not pressing the brake pedal? Every 3-4 hours would be more like it, for a decent working actuator.
     
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    ChapmanF... I must say how much I appreciate your input and help. Yes the pump is coming on very frequently. My blink test showed code 69 for ((!)). I am gearing up to replace the brake booster and brake pump assembly(s). I am trying to get set up with techstream. I read your post on Tratrix Openport 2.0 (which I will purchase) and I am trying to find a dedicated laptop. If you don’t mind, would you tell me the laptop that you are using.

    Also, is one of the parts most likely to fail? I might like to change just one part in that if I can not get the car back together, I will only have purchased one of the $550 parts.

    Does Toyotadealparts.com sell OEM parts?

    Again ... thank you very much
     
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    I think there is a toyotapartsdeal.com that's legit. I haven't heard of toyotadealparts.com though, couldn't vouch for that. Or were you meaning toyotapartsdeal?

    I don't think the choice of laptop is critical. I have a clunky old Thinkpad here that came from some university's salvage outlet for cheap. It's too big and heavy and the lid hinges flop. (That seems to be a common thing for these old Thinkpads; there are threads about replacing the hinges but it's a pain.) My one upgrade was to swap the old spinning drive for an SSD.

    The upper part, the actuator, has most of the moving parts in it, and it's a lot easier to get to and replace. So you could take the strategy of replacing that first to see what happens.

    At 3 to 4 seconds a cycle, I would think a mechanics' stethoscope could give you a clear hissing sound from one part or the other. (I mean, they're connected by steel tubes and fluid, so the sound will be conducted, but should be louder wherever it's coming from.) But not everyone has reported a clear verdict from that.

    Of course, at 3 to 4 seconds a cycle, the lower part (the pump/accumulator) has also had five years of its life worn off for every month it's been running like that, so there might be some wisdom in replacing it too.
     
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    If the pump in the brake pump assembly stops working will the result be having no brakes? Is there a manual backup in the brake booster assembly?

    Is all you need regarding the tactrix openport 2.0 is just the $169 device? I see that have three flash adapters that you can purchase along with the J2534 interface.
     
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    The device itself is enough. The flash adapters are used if you want to reprogram firmware in certain computers of certain cars, and the adapters are specific to the cars. If you look closely, there might not even be one for a Toyota even if you wanted it.

    In a Gen 3, if the pump fails, it can't replenish the accumulator. If it fails when the accumulator has just been pumped up to full pressure, you may have a couple dozen strokes left of power-assisted, four-wheel braking. When the stored pressure poops out, all you have left is non-power-assisted braking of the front wheels only. You will have to step very hard on the pedal and the car will be difficult to stop. When the alarm starts beeping, the pressure is already pretty close to pooped out.
     
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