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2011 - Setting The Timing Chain/Releasing the tensioner

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by An2TheTwan, Oct 25, 2022.

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    Yes ... clamping with shop towels is a Gasket Masters expedient. It isn't in the repair manual procedure.

    I see that the way the Japanese got translated to English could be read the wrong way:

    They don't mean to hold the wrench still and turn the gear on the shaft. The gear at this point should be in its fully retarded and locked position (that was checked on an earlier page, where you confirmed you could turn the gear clockwise on the shaft and when fully clockwise it clicked and locked and could not be turned back). So you're really turning the entire camshaft a tiny bit backward, using the wrench to do it. If you look at the drawing, with the wrench and the arrow, it's clear what they mean.
     
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    Another thing, on the crankshaft/harmonic balancer mine seem to line up at the 10 mark (degrees?) and not the 0 mark. I wanted to mentioned this, it seems from the videos I've watched , most are lined up at 0.

    ***(I have not installed the timing chain cover and/or harmonic balancer + crank bolt yet. I lined them up, so I could see which mark I was at 10 or 0, and I am at 10.)


    (sorry for the poor quality, really hard to get my phone in there)

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    Should be at zero when you slip the chain on and line the marks up.
     
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    I edited my previous post to include a video/picture. Thank you for all your assistance, you are very helpful. I hope I didn't screw something up because I am lined up at 10 and not 0. Is this a simple fix, such as moving the crank shaft a little? Will it correct itself if I adjust the intake cam to the correct position?

    I apologize if I am being annoying. I hope to get this right on the first try. I want to avoid taking everything apart again and dealing with all that RTV silicone.
     
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    If you start by getting the painted links on the top of the chain correctly aligned with the marks on the cams, and then set the crankshaft so the keyway points straight up and the dot is at 3:00 and the yellow chain link is next to the dot, you should later find you're pointing pretty close to 0°.

    But if you're not, as long as all the painted links are still next to their respective marks, you've got your timing set up right. After all, once you've put things together right, the engine stays properly timed, all the way around.

    By the way, in case you wonder later, if you try to check the timing after reassembly by cranking the engine around several turns until you see the painted links again, they won't appear lined up right. If you want that confirmation, keep cranking till you see them eight more times. The way the math works out, you see them on their marks every ninth time you see them.
     
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    I guess my concern is;

    -When the head was still off, I set pistons 1 & 4 to as high as they would go, which I believed to be top dead center.
    -If I where to crank the crankshaft so the keyway is straight up, and the dot is at 3:00 (so it's pretty close 0°) would the pistons no longer be at their highest possible point (TDC).
    -Basically, is this okay to do?
     
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    If that turned out to be the case, it would somehow mean you had the wrong crankshaft in that engine....
     
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    If I sound like an amateur, that's because I am haha =). Six months ago, I hadn't even changed my own oil.

    Only thing I can think of with the positioning at 10° is the following:

    -After I positioned pistons 1 & 4 to their highest point (TDC), I never removed the crank bolt.
    -After I already had the head on, I then removed the crank bolt. I used a torque gun to remove the bolt. When I did this (counterclockwise torque) I didn't think the position of the crankshaft moved much, but it all happened so fast.
     
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    Another question I have:

    How critical is it to replace the timing chain guides and the timing chain tensioner?
     
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    The manual doesn't say to replace them unconditionally, but only to inspect them (along with the chain and sprockets).

    The chain is inspected for elongation: under 33 pounds of force, 15 links shouldn't be more than 115.2 mm. (Naturally, it matters how you measure; there are details and a drawing in the manual.) For the oil pump chain, 102.1 mm is the figure.

    The two oil pump sprockets should be no less than 48.2 mm (across the rollers, of the chain, wrapped around the sprocket). The two cam sprockets should be no less than 96.8 mm (measured the same way). For the crank sprocket, 51.1 mm.

    The various tensioner slippers and guides should be replaced if worn more than 1 mm.

    For the tensioner, you just inspect that it moves smoothly, and ratchets securely when you're not lifting the ratchet cam.
     
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    I called Gasket Masters and they also confirmed/answered some questions in this thread:

    -It is OKAY to move intake cam with wrench. This may not surprise a lot but I was being extra cautious.
    -It doesn't matter if the harmonic balancer/crankshaft is at 0 degrees or 10 degrees.
    -It is not critical to replace the timing chain guides or tensioners (unless damaged).



    ***Update - New timing chain is on and the links all line up. Tension is good***