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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

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    so far this fall, around here, other viruses have presented much more problems than covid and flu. it will be interesting to see if there's any covid surge in hospitals following thanksgiving.
     
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    There is a lot of nonsense posted by critics of vaccinations. For example the false belief all absolutely stop a disease. Some like smallpox have. There is an engineering term, ’managing user expectations’ which means explaining what works, doesn’t, and parts in between.

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    Vaccine efficacy or vaccine effectiveness is the percentage reduction of disease cases in a vaccinated group of people compared to an unvaccinated group. For example, a vaccineefficacy or effectiveness of 80% indicates an 80% decrease in the number of disease cases among a group of vaccinated people compared to a group in which nobody was vaccinated. When a study is carried out using the most favorable, ideal or perfectly controlled conditions,[1] such as those in a clinical trial, the term vaccine efficacy is used.[2] On the other hand, when a study is carried out to show how well a vaccine works when they are used in a bigger, typical population under less-than-perfectly controlled conditions, the term vaccine effectiveness is used.[1][2]

    Vaccine efficacy studies are used to measure several important and critical outcomes of interest such as disease attack rates, hospitalizations due to the disease, deaths due to the disease, asymptomatic infection, serious adverse events due to vaccination, vaccine reactogenicity, and cost effectiveness of the vaccine. Vaccine efficacy is calculated on a set population (and therefore is not a constant value when counting in other populations), and may be misappropriated to be how efficacious a vaccine is in all populations.​

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    I'm much more likely to take the advise from a 30-year Oncologist than a Wikipedia post! (Wiki's are so unreliable you can't even site them on college papers.)
     
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    Principles of Epidemiology in Public Health Practice (3rd ed.), U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2006, p. 3-49

    That is one of the sources used for the Wikipedia article. Wikipedia was never meant to be a primary source, but the trust worthy articles cite their sources. Compared to a site that claims to be, "leading a movement to reclaim our Republic from the network of individuals and organizations waging war on Americans, our Constitution, our borders and our Judeo-Christian values," Wikipedia is far likely to be the less biased source.

    "I am experienced enough to know that these are not the coincidental anecdotes that many suggest, especially as the same pattern is being seen in Germany, Australia and the USA." - A statement from the onocologist's letter.
    Instead of making an appeal to authority, maybe he should show the math that shows that these aren't coincidences. If these diseases and health outcomes are happening in greater numbers of the vaccinated than in the past, it would show up in statistics.
     
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    You can actually see much of this playing out in our society in real time right now

    Millions of children left susceptible to measles as vaccination rates drop, new report finds - CBS News

    "For the last few decades, measles has remained relatively contained due to the double-dose vaccination that is 97% effective. The measles vaccination rates have steadily dropped since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, the report found, with nearly 40 million children missing one or both of the doses in 2021, a record high according to the CDC and WHO.
    In 2021, there were about 9 million measles cases and 128,000 measles deaths worldwide, according to the CDC and WHO. Twenty-two countries experienced "large and disruptive outbreaks" — a trend that has continued into 2022, according to the report. "

    New York declares measles emergency, blasts misinformation fueling outbreak (yahoo.com)
    New York county declares measles outbreak emergency - BBC News
    Measles outbreak: New York City declares a public health emergency | CNN
     
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    RAIR, LOL

    quote: 'not only is he seeing them, he predicted them'
     
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    I'm not sure where you got the idea that you can't catch covid after vaccination. Especially the Omicron variant after pre-Omicron vaccines.

    Who is the RAIR Foundation? And why should I follow this advocacy group of far-right Islamophobes?
     
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    It can be seen from global news coverage that COVID responses in one large Asian country have triggered protests for >6 months and there are more now. All readers can see that as well as I do. Extensive required testing shows that most 'positives' (leading to lockdowns) are asymptomatic, but international readers might not see that.

    So, W T F? Is COVID now using lungs for virus manufacture without causing sickness? Or are nucleic-acid tests giving many false positives? I truly do not know. But here, we are getting tired of this long long war.

    To travel 100 km I need several tests. To travel 1000 km, same thing, but I could get locked down anyway. It's tiresome and not just for me.

    In yonder past I feared COVID infection as it could harm me for being in a high-risk group. Now, it's all about lockdowns. Tiresome.

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    If any here are happy that things are bad in COVID's country of origin, well, whoop it up. I cannot join you.
     
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    What is the vaccine status?

    Last I heard over a year ago was the nationally developed vaccine had an effectiveness problem. But the Guardian reports older folks are getting vaccinations.

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    @fuzzy1 asks "Who is the RAIR Foundation"
    @me asks "What is the new normal" and whom are the well adjusted?
     
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    the stock market and gov economic advisers are all concerned about chinas zero tolerance policy
     
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    Imagine a country locking down citizens for months and months and even welding apartment doors shut so they can't get out over a virus that has over a 99% survival rate! Then, imagine a fire breaks out and people cannot leave end up dying.

    You don't have to imagine it...the Chinese communists are doing just that and, thank God, the people have had enough and are fighting back. I really wish the Chinese people had 2A freedoms like most westerners do.

    It's not about a virus, it's about fascist control versus freedom and liberty. Shame on ANY politician who has expressed that they admire the Chinese communist. (Obama, Biden, Trudeau)

    Try to find this story on ANY main-stream media sites... why is that?

    Mother leaps to death after struggling with militant lockdown in China | Daily Mail Online
     
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    On the News yesterday they talked for a while about the Covid situation in China.
    Apparently, China has a problem with ICU beds and Health Care in general. They simply cannot handle an outbreak. Their lockdown measures according to the news piece were an effort by the Government to prevent a wholesale outbreak that the country simply can't handle. As a gentleman mentioned the citizens have had enough of the restrictions and want them to end but because of the poor HealthCare structure in the county the Communist Government doesn't dare relax the restrictions.

    They also commented that China is being pushed by others to use Western developed vaccines as their own vaccine has proven ineffective.

    It is very tough times in China and other totalitarian regimes right now. Maybe America isn't such a horrible country to live in after all.

    America's Health System is robust and the envy of many nations although we also have many problems in our Healthcare System and our Western Culture
     
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    • people had 2A freedoms - Australia, New Zealand, Sandy Hook. The 2022 midterm elections saved democracy from the USA fascists.
    • It's not about a virus - COVID is a virus, not a political movement. But dictatorships try to gaslight us that it is.
    • Try to find this story - easy to find and follow which makes voting and elections important.
    Having five COVID and the flu vaccinations, it was easy to survive one confirmed COVID and a probable flu infection. No fever or need to be hospitalized and I am 72 with co-morbidities. Not like the recently convicted Michigan kidnappers and weak, defeated January 6 fools.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I didn't here about Polish authorities letting a woman die in the hospital instead of letting her get an abortion until well after the fact. Maybe this China case is like that one. The world is a big place, and many pieces of news don't go past the local level. Now there is much coverage over China's lockdown policy and its economic effect, along with the protests as the scope of that news does reach beyond China's borders.

    A quick search did find this CNN piece discussing mental health and the lockdowns.
    Opinion: In zero-Covid China, a different death toll emerges | CNN
     
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    Why did you leave out Trump, who repeatedly expressed admiration and praise for Xi Jinping? Far more than Obama, Biden, and Trudeau combined!

    Trump on China’s Xi: ‘We love each other’ – POLITICO
    15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe - POLITICO
    Trump Praises Xi as China's `President for Life' | Fortune
    The many times Trump has praised China's handling of the coronavirus pandemic
    VIDEO: Trump Praises Putin, Applauds Xi for 'Iron Fist' at Pennsylvania Rally

     
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    Yea - Not too many months back, he'd be branded as a right wing, nazi thought promoting, conspiratorial Nut Job for saying such things. & Then canceled. Strange times.
    Football - boxing - prison .... even poker .... isn't there sometimes greater advantage to feigning respect .... then their is to showing true intent & feelings? .... ie a poker face?
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    So that's what we're calling it when our guy is doing it?