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Sudden Coolant loss—I don't think it's the head gasket

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by CloudJumper, Dec 4, 2022.

  1. CloudJumper

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    I know, the first thing that comes to mind is a head gasket failure, and I'm absolutely not ruling that out. Anyway, here are my symptoms:

    This has happened twice, coolant levels are fine when I start my car. 10 to 20 miles down the road, the engine temperature light turns on for about 30 seconds, after which my coolant tank is dangerously low, but everything runs as normal with no loss of power, misfires, or return of the temperature light. I get back home, top off the engine coolant, and everything is normal for several thousand miles. The coolant doesn't even drop a millimeter during this time. I make it a regular habit to check my fluids. Suddenly, one day many thousand miles later, the engine temperature light comes back on after 10 to 20 miles of driving, and what do you know? The engine coolant is suddenly low again.

    Here's why, to my understanding, I don't think it's the head gasket (At least I hope . . .):
    1) Oil looks perfectly fine, no milky color.
    2) No white steam exiting the tail pipe.
    3)No loss of power and/or engine misfire
    4) No lights aside from the temporary engine temperature light, which for both occasions has only lasted about 30 seconds.
    5) After two occurances, I have lost a substantial ammount of coolant, if that were going into the combustion chamber or the oil, surely I'd have experienced one of the symtoms above, right?

    Lastly, if it's a leak, there is no evidence of leaked on my garage floor.
    What puzzles me the most is the fact that I won't lose a drop of coolant over several thousand miles, but suddenly I lose the majority of it over a 20ish minute period. My best guess is it's related to the water pump but I don't have very much information to support that with my current understanding of the issue at hand.

    Any thoughts? Thank you in advance

    Year: 2010
    Mileage: 203,000
    Because it will be asked: Yes I have cleaned the EGR system recently (also cleaned at 100,000 miles)
     
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    Try BG hybrid repair kit
     
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    No cold-start shakes? No misfire codes (P030x)? Your EGR cleaning included intake manifold?
     
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    No cold-start shaking, even with temperatures near 0°F, not a single misfire code or shudder. EGR cleaning did indeed include the intake manifold. Everything runs completely normal, even during that short window when the coolant disappears.
     
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    Would you mind elaborating? I know there are several different solutions included in this kit. Which solution in particular are you referring to and why?
     
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    Dangerously low means . ? No coolant seen in Res. It's pink so all we see is opaque like res color white??? Even after car cools still empty?? You add coolant to resvoir to F line and that 1/ 2 litre or so stays at F for thousands of miles then disappears. But again you add the 1/2 litre to bring it back to F ? Is it always same litre amount? Or significantly more ?
     
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    I would guess that it is the engine coolant water pump or the thermostat.

    Do you have a scan tool like TechStream were you can monitor the water pump speed (rpm)? If not, i would replace the water pump and thermostat based on the number of miles on your car.

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    After topping off, when do you next check the level? I hope after one drive. HG leak can lead to gases getting into the coolant. This needs bleeding to verify the correct level. (Unless my understanding is wrong please feel free to correct me)…
     
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    Failure of either those would prevent coolant circulation, but not make it disappear?
     
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    Dangerously low means an inch and a half or so from the bottom of the resivoir. After both occurances, it was the same ammount of cooloant lost, though I have not measured it.
     
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    After I see that little red engine temperature warning light, I check my coolant levels (and other fluids for that matter) after every drive. At least until I can verify that my fluid levels have not changed over 500 or so miles, after which case I check fluids after filling my gas tank.
     
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    I do not have Techstream, though I do have Torque Pro, and havent yet explored all its capabilities entirely. I don't suppose you'd know whether or not Torque Pro is capable of monitoring the water pump RPM? In the meantile, I'll look to see if I can find anything that looks usefull in the app.
     
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    A quick google search shows 'coolant leakage' and 'overheating' as indicative signs of a failed water pump. Which would make sense, however I hesitate to say that I have leakage because of the intermittant disapearace. I would expect a leak to slowly drain over time. That and the lack of residue on my garage floor. However I will look into removing the engine air filter and intake housing today to see if I can see any signs of leakage near the pump itself.

    I did recently create a post looking for identification for a part near the water pump that was coverd in some black residue. I discovered this to be the oil pressure switch assembly, and assumed the residue to be oil, however I will also look more into this to see if I can determine where this is comoing from and whether or not its related.
     
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    The coolest vanishing is the problem If it's truly vanishing If you're talking a leader or less you may be an okay shape a leader is about the amount of your jug exactly so if that disappeared into the engine or not disappeared but was down enough and then when heated it gets not quite full but comes on up there and someone's not their monitoring it then there you go but if it's truly vanishing to where you're pouring a half a liter almost a liter into the jug every time this goes on you kind of sort of need to find out where that pink stuff is going and it has to be somewhere because the water pump might not be moving it if it's coolant coolant mix it shouldn't be getting hot enough to just burn away it's coolant or your car would be smelling awfully bad and be awfully hot even a person not in tune with this would know something was wrong just by the heat smell coming off the thing or maybe if you're totally oblivious to the world you wouldn't but everybody else around you would and be pointing at it and asking gee something doesn't seem right there buddy smells awfully hot
     
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    I'd say there's an external leak somewhere. If you can't see the leak, take it to a mechanic that can do a pressure test of the cooling system.
     
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    I will be having it pressure-checked, thank you for the advice. I'd be hesitant to say it's as simple as a leak because this 'leak' seems to only exist for a short period of time once every x,xxx miles. I refilled the reservoir this morning, drive 109 miles today, with no drop in coolant level. However, I am absolutley not throwing the possibility of a simple leak off the table.

    I almost had a stroke trying to read this, but there is no burning smell. Coolant temperatures stay between 185°F and 205°F, and when the coolant does dissapear, it does not magically return.
     
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    High mileage priuses like yours could use treatments and additives that restores MPG and performance. There’s 3 bottles on the kit, first is the engine flush which will clean all the carbon and sludge in your 200k miles engine. The second bottle is oil-additive which reduces metal to metal friction and makes your engine a lot smoother. Third bottle is a fuel treatment that cleans your 200k miles fuel system which im guessing you’ve only used regular gas from any gas-stations. This kit is also known to reduce or stop oil and coolant consumption. Try it, they are completely safe, affordable, and you got nothing to lose.
     
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    I have a Prius that hasn't lost any coolant in 10 years and 270,000 miles. The car doesn't use or lose coolant, but routinely these cars can burn coolant in the cylinder. Use a quality boroscope to inspect for steam clean cylinders.

    Sorry, but additives won't do a thing unless you use an extremely clogging sealant, which can indirectly diagnose a head gasket failure when the coolant loss stops for a period of weeks or months. However, you are likely to have a clogged radiator and/or heater core in addition to a head gasket repair in the future.
     
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    Can you please explain how or why this "kit" can reduce or stop coolant consumption?

    There is nothing in the kit that has anything to do with the coolant in the engine.

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    Conflation personified:

    Carbon-clogged EGR can lead to head gasket failure.
    Sticking piston rings may increase the soot in exhaust.
    Therefore, putting some pour-an-pray piston ring cleaner in there will cure the head gasket... :confused:
     
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