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2010 Prius both key fobs dead

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by OurEvolution, Dec 25, 2022.

  1. OurEvolution

    OurEvolution Junior Member

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    I've already scoured the internet, YouTube, and this forum for everything I can find about key fob problems, both generally and specific to Gen 3 Prius but I'm stumped so figured I'd roll the dice and create a new thread here.

    Over the last year both original key fobs for my 2010 Prius have failed. They both have good batteries in them reading at least 3 volts. Since I'm the only driver, after the first one died I hung it up and grabbed the spare, then that one started acting up a couple months ago. I pulled it apart to check the voltage, which was fine but I went ahead and installed a new battery anyway, only to have it continue acting up. I pulled it apart and messed around with it some and noticed the LED was not working at first, but after removing and reinserting the battery a few times the LED would blink faintly when I pushed any of the buttons, after which it worked in the car for a few more weeks. Now the LED won't light again and the fob fails to function at all.

    I've again verified battery voltage is at least 3vdc. It is slightly lower than 3v when I test against the + side of the battery and any of the various ground points on the circuit board but assume it's passing through at least one micro resistor before getting to any of those test points.

    I have very nearly full battery voltage on either side of all the switches. I tried putting 3v from an external source directly to the LED and it glows brightly. I even tried gradually reducing that voltage and still get the LED working all the way down to less than 2V so clearly there is somewhere the voltage is getting interrupted even though it's making it to the buttons. I've cleaned the battery contact points thoroughly and verified sufficient spring tension, which wasn't a problem to begin with since as I said I get full voltage at several test points on the circuit board. I've inspected everything under a lighted magnifying glass and can't detect any defective solder joints.

    For what it's worth my 12V aux battery is only 3 yrs old and in good shape but just to be sure I went ahead and put it on a charger overnight to bring it up from about 13V to over 14V.

    All of the above notes apply to both key fobs.

    At this point I don't know whether I've got a programming issue or a failed chip or other component on the key fobs. If I could find a schematic for these units I might be able to trace the circuit and determine where along the signal path the failure is occurring but everything is so tiny and several traces covered by either the battery clip or the RFID chip that it's really not possible without some kind of road map.

    Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated. I'm probably going to have to spend the money to get new keys programmed for the car but I'm about as stubborn as any DIYer out there so willing to live with situation for a while if there's any chance of figuring it out.
     
  2. Higgins909

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    I also have a 2010 and had no idea this was a problem. Now I'm worried. In the end, if you do need a new key, be sure to chime in how much it costs. Lately I have noticed that it doesn't like to lock a bit more than usual when I press the lock. I just assumed interference and or low battery.

    Are you still able to start it by putting the fob up to the start button? I don't know if that was actually a method for Prius models.
     
  3. OurEvolution

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    Sorry, I should have mentioned that yes, I am able to start the car by putting the key fob against the start button and pressing the brake, so at least the passive RFID is functional. I just can't use the fob to electronically lock or unlock the doors or start the car normally with the key in my pocket.
     
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  4. Tombukt2

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    Same here and I've looked into this a little bit and it seems actually the dealer may be the way to go depending upon your circumstances A company that I talk to a locksmith that could hook me up said he had to buy the remote from the dealer I already get a business discount from the dealer because I knew the parts guy there who hooked me up so I'll get that discount already so somebody doesn't need to mark it up for me then they need the remote and the car for about an hour of nonsense whatever that means whether they do the chicken dance the people talk about here or they have some type of special machine. For my Italian motorcycles they use this electronic machine to program transponder keys to the ignition so they can clone the key I guess they can do similar if they have your old remote a new remote and the car that sounds like reasonable but then with the cost of the remote and the hour of service you're sitting at around 300 smackers.
     
  5. Brian1954

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    I replaced my wife's key fob battery about three weeks ago. She complained that it seemed to be getting low and not working all the time like it should. The 3 volt battery was reading 2.97 volts on my digital volt meter. I checked the new CR1632 battery that I had and it measured 3.30 volts. I installed the new battery and my wife has not complained about the key fob since. Now she complains about other things, but not about the key fob.

    I would buy a new 3 volt battery and use a meter to check it then install it in your key fob. New CR1632 batteries should be 3.1 minimum to 3.4 volts maximum.



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  6. OurEvolution

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    I think you're on to something here. Since I first posted here I ran across yet a YouTube video where a guy was having similar issues after a battery change but then he tried a few different brand new batteries and found that some of the cheaper ones just didn't work. Today being Xmas I can't just run out and pick one up but I do have an adjustable bench DC power supply so I pulled the battery off one of my fobs, connected it to the power supply with a voltmeter in parallel, and gradually brought the voltage up. At 3.0V I still got nothing, but at 3.2V all of a sudden the LED started to blink when I pushed any of the buttons. My bench is too far from the driveway to know whether it's working at the car but first thing tomorrow I'll run to the hardware store and pick up an Energizer or Duracell CR1632. I have to admit that the ones I had plugged into these key fobs earlier were cheap import button cells that came on a big assortment card I bought on Ebay a year ago. I figured since they measured right at 3V they were good enough but evidently that's not the case. Since it appears that these key fobs need MORE than 3V, and the batteries you're directed to install in them are RATED at 3V, it would be nice if Toyota mentioned that you need to make sure the battery is at a minimum 3.2V if you want it to work.
     
  7. MikeDee

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    Beware that there could be counterfeit batteries out there. I recommend an Energizer battery from a reliable source. I put one in my fob that I bought off Amazon and it didn't last long at all.
     
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    Time to trade in the wife
     
  9. MikeDee

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    There's another key fob thread about wanting to trade in a gf for leaving it in the car and killing the 12v. I see a pattern here. Probably caused by not cleaning the EGR system and causing head problems.
     
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    Any solution?