Canada Prius Prime trim level details

That's a huge drop in range for a little sportier handling and slightly better looks of the 19" wheels. Toyota needs to make the larger wheels optional.

 

I have my eye on the SE Prime. Not a fan of the small awkward looking screen but I'll just have to get used to it.

 

It says right in there that the SE has 17" alloys.

Look at the difference in options between the SE and XSE:
Power front seat
Heated rear seats
Passenger & rear hatch smart key

Not only do they add weight, they also consume power(ok, not a lot, but every bit adds up).

So you've got bigger and heavier wheels/tires that take more power to get moving from a stop, you've got overall more weight from the wheels and other options that take more power to keep moving, and you have more options that consume energy when they're active. Is it really any surprise that the range is significantly reduced(about 11%)? Anyone who's watched reviews of the F150 Lightning and its struggles with towing can see how much weight and drag can cripple the range of an EV.

 

The range of an EV? These things reduce efficiency of all cars.

Some seem to have a disconnect over range and fuel efficiency.

 

Does any level have a spare I wonder.

press release

 

Of course increased load reduces efficiency of all cars, but it seems to affect EVs more than ICEs. Just spitballing numbers, but a given load might reduce the range of an ICE by 40%, but that same load reduces the range of a comparable EV by 60%. I don't know what the real numbers are, and I'm sure it varies infinitely by vehicle and load, but it seems consistent that increased weight/load affects ICEs and EVs unequally. So it's no surprise to me that a 9% drop in mpg from the LE to the XLE is partnered by a 17% drop in EV range from the SE to the XSE. Physics is a cruel mistress.

There have been a couple imperfect tests done now that the F-150 Lightning has been released, but I'd love to see a YouTuber do a really solid test with near-identical EV, gas, and diesel F-150/250s. The closest I've seen is a Lightning and a Ram diesel, but that's a little too apples to oranges for my tastes. Hoovie from Hoovie's Garage would be the most likely, but he sold his Lightning back to his dealer and I don't think he's in the best graces with Ford Corporate at the moment. LOL

 

Whatever the actual numbers turn out to be on the window stickers, I think we can all agree the 50% increase in EV range is now extremely unlikely, at least in the west, anyway.

I think it'll be interesting to see real world effects of the glass roof, 19" low profiles and toys, as compared to the stripped down SE with 17" mags.
Don't forget about what is now considered "normal" driving conditions with more powerful, safer, cars, whether or not it's been figured into the estimated averages.

 

Maybe Toyota should give battery mileage range estimates for all three Prime trim levels and then factor in

Range - one person driving
Range - Two people driving
Range - Three people driving
Range - Four people driving.

I bet you order the XSE Premium and "car share" to work with four adults, and you will get less than 25 miles on the 2023 Prime. That would be worse than last year model with the weaker battery. So much for a 50% increase in battery mileage - since it ain't going to happen probably on all three trim levels.

 

This ranges are based on the EPA tests(Canada essentially uses the same protocols), and are the consumer level modified for hot and cold conditions. The difference could include the cabin climate control difference of having a glass roof.

A like comparison of an EV to ICE truck would require an added load to the ICE to simulate the added weight of the EV battery. At this time, I'd give the advantage to the ICE because of its maturity. They aren't running a 4 speed transmission anymore. With the potential load difference on a truck, a 'professional' Ev one will likely need a multispeed transmission in order to get best performance unladen and when loaded up.

The SE's 64km is a 60% improvement over the old PP's 25 miles.

edit: fix math error.

 

Just editorial: I get roughly 60%.

 

My 2018 Prime always indicates it can go 44 - 47 Km when fully charged. I suspect the 2023 models will also indicate 69 km for an SE and 58 km for the higher trim levels when fully charged. The Prime will get good EV range within city speed limits. If you have to drive on the highways the EV range is severely impacted.

 

since gen 1 prime gets up to 40 miles in the real world, and winter kills everything ev, i'm not worried about it.
if i'm interested, i'll buy the level i like

 

Not sure how ended up posting 68%, as I was working with 39 miles for the 64km.

 

Yeah the rough 5/8 is what I’ll usually use. Roughly cus metric makes no attempt to be readily convertible.

 

Figured it out. someone posted 42 miles as the US SE spec, and that works out as 68% better than 25 exactly.

 

I'm not going to pretend I ran the numbers, and I'm glad you guys did, so we all know about what we should expect from the 13KwH pack. I was hoping for 100% anyway, which might get me near 100 ev under ideal conditions and a few hours with no traffic behind.
My mind is so cluttered with estimates it's hard to keep them all even half way straight. I've got that old civic hybrid and I'm chumpin at the bit to figure out how to get 55 Lifepo4 s cells in the NiMH case without butchering the thing. So far I haven't found anything that even comes close to fitting and the only other way is to add extra batteries to each oem NiMH stick pair of 12 cells per pair and the complications that I'm sure to find along that path, which I'd rather not.
I can't wait to see how the Gen 5 Primes pack is arranged and how much it costs and how much of the electroncis in the car will be just enough different to make it not an easy drop in, upgrade to the 8.89 KwH gen 4 pack which is always floating around as possibilities if and when the time is right.

 

First hurdle is the cooling. The gen5 Prime uses some type of liquid cooling. That's why it is small enough to fit under the seat.

 

nice find! where did you get that?