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2023 - Prius or Prime - spare tire?

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by Mark Monroe, Jan 3, 2023.

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    It's cheap at parts.toyota.com. You can get whatever pieces you need there.
     
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    A gen4 OEM wheel with a tire runs you $180 plus tax for one with a Falken tire, or $195 if you go Yokohama.

    That's searching for a Toyota dealership with the best discount(I use Lewis Toyota out of Topeka, Kansas as my default) and the free shipping on orders over $75, and using TireRack for the tire(also free shipping). If you can order the tire from your local tire shop, you might not have to pay an additional fee for mounting the tire.
     
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    Here the temp spare rim has suggested retail of $382 USD, and checking a US dealership near me (just across the border) I see price in the high $200’s. That’s just the rim.


    2022 Toyota Prius Wheel. Disc; disc (for spare) - 4261147450 - Genuine Toyota Part


    personally, I’m not going to get drawn into retrofitting. It’s absurd to hand over $30~40k for a brand new car, and then start working on it. There are cars that come with spares. The sand pounder is Toyota’s decision to strip the spare out for all the 5th gen Prius, even though it’s only physically necessary with the AWD versions, and that’s because they’re unwilling to expend engineering hours, to make a spare possible.
     
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    My 2005 AWD Sienna didn't have a spare of any sort; the driveshaft to the rear wheels took up the space where the tire would have been mounted. So the car came with runflats.

    When the runflats wore out- which didn't take long- I replaced them with standard tires. On longer trips, I'd bring along one of the winter tires (on its own rim, obviously). Wasn't ideal, but gave me some peace of mind.


    Regarding the comment, "The sand pounder is Toyota’s decision to strip the spare out for all the 5th gen Prius..." Toyota's all about lean manufacturing, simplifying production, taking cost out. They clearly made a business decision that it wasn't worth developing and providing a compact spare for the limited volume of Priuses that might otherwise have one.
     
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    The development is done, judging from the 5th Gen Prius Owner's Manual, and the sheet metal under the hatch floor.

    Attached is a portion of the Owner's Manual, the pages regarding models "with spare tire", and also the pages with tire specs (including temp spare).
     

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    Well, if you prefer, then let's just say:
    "Toyota's all about lean manufacturing, simplifying production, taking cost out. They clearly made a business decision that it wasn't worth providing a compact spare for the limited volume of Priuses that might otherwise have one."

    A simplified supply chain is a happy supply chain.
     
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    the manual lists it...and the car has a hole space for one in the trunk space. But you can't buy an OEM for a Gen 5? Will a Gen 4 fit?
     
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    Unfortunately, up here in Canada I don't have the luxury of Toyota dealers that will sell and ship OEM parts at decent prices. At least not that I've ever found.

    Mendel, it sounds like your experiences have been similar?
     
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    Last time I checked parts.Toyota website, 5th gen parts were not listed. When that changes, it'll be (mildly...) interesting to see if the temp spare rim is listed.
     
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    You'd also want make sure any electrical cables running on the floor are protected. From the owner's manual pictures, there is a tray that the tire and jack rest on that does that.
    Judging from the photos of the tray and deck, retrofitting looks very easy. I would think it can become an option in a few years.

    Temp spares a usually a little smaller in diameter. No big deal in an emergency. On a car whose tires are almost 2 inches larger in diameter than the spare donor, it starts to be a big deal. That's why I'm thinking the gen5 will need a Camry sized spare.

    Oh, they made it possible. Other markets are getting it. Possibly even the AWD model. It is marketing and accounting saying it isn't needed for North America. Maybe even specifically for the US.
    I think someone here figured out the bolt pattern matches up between the two. It is a question of what tire size will work.
     
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    The AWDe Prius uses the compact spare space for the Power Electronics unit that drives the rear motor. I store my compact spare (salvaged from my totaled 2016 Prius) in the space behind the front seats.

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    Actually, maybe the development isn't done, if there's no part # for the rim for gen 5 spare.
     
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    I've used Amayama a few times, no problems. They ship from either Japan or UAE. Just for small items. The biggest purchase was for conversion to spin-on oil filter (on my 2010), and their prices were absurdly lower than US.

    Hybrid Pit Stop (in California) was offering a spin-on conversion "kit", that was basically them doing the vetting and shopping for you, putting it all in one box. With an oil filter, they're asking $185 USD. This is what I paid through Amayama, in CDN dollars, and there were no extras (duty, tax, whatever), this was the all-in cost. Ignore the wiper inserts:

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    It's a little bit apples/oranges; I saw no point in buying the spin-on filter from Amayama; Hybrid Pit's kit includes one.

    Another option, is the US Toyota parts site:


    Toyota Parts and Accessories - Official Online Store


    I've not used them but it's intriguing. You can find parts you're interested in, and it shows "suggested retail", and provides links to dealerships local to you, and their prices are typically lower by 20% or so. For me for example, it shows a dealership just over the border, Foothills Toyota (in Burlington, Washington State), that's 114 kms and 1.5 hours away from me. For something like an engine short block, where you'd likely get hit with high shipping cost through Amayama, going for a little drive to the States might be worthwhile. When you declare it at the border coming back, there may be duty charged, not sure. But something to consider.
     
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    Meh, we're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic: with all the Canadian levels (all 2 of 'em...) being AWD. But anyways:

    I doubt they would publish an Owner's Manual that specs the spare (see previous attachment), gives detailed instructions on using it, if it's not a signed-off design. They're cheaping out, and the only thing they'll hear is dropping sales. As long as customers line up to buy them without spares, they've got no motivation to change.
     
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    That's the gen4. The gen5 may have those packaged somewhere else. The Rav4 AWD hybrid doesn't lose the spare.

    The info on technical details seems sparse in general for a car that is already being delivered to customers. At the initial unveiling event, the hybrid battery was stated to be a new Li-ion. I admit, I could have missed them, but I haven't seen any details on the battery beyond that for instance.
     
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    Apparently, the LE comes with the jack and tire tools but the XLE and Limited don't. We will know more soon.
     
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    The jack the tire sealer are in their own components of the cheap cubby tray according to the manual, and photos posted here showed there was something already in the new cars.
     
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    Gen 4 levels without spare had jack and lug nut wrench IIRC. However, looking through the 2023 Prius Owner's Manual, the section for cars without spare, there's stuff like this:

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    I gave up trying to track down *, 1 and 2...
     
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    @Mendel Leisk is correct. The XLE and Limited have the trunk deck type B and do not come with the jack and tire tools.

    The LE has the trunk deck type A and comes with the jack and tire tools but not with the spare.

    They all have the spare nest and hole. To retrofit, one would have to buy:

    LE (needed for spare retrofit):
    • OEM spare
    • OEM thumb screw
    • OEM Styrofoam for spare and tools
    XLE and Limited (needed for spare retrofit):
    • OEM spare
    • OEM thumb screw
    • OEM wheel-nut wrench
    • OEM jack
    • OEM jack handle
    • OEM Styrofoam for spare and tools
     
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    Toyota Canada is currently offering only the two upper levels, and only with AWD, the latter being a complete kibosh for the spare; it won't fit. Deal breaker for me.

    Just editorial, a thumb screw is traditionally a torture device. Maybe apt: 5th gen shopping is kinda torturous...
     
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