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ABS, VSC, (!), BRAKE Lights, Help Please!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by e_bran_s3, Apr 28, 2023.

  1. e_bran_s3

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    Good morning.

    I'm a first time poster, but occasional lurker on the forum. Recently my ABS, VSC, (!), and Brake lights all started coming on when I turned on the Prius (2005, ~187k miles, has a reconditioned Green Bean battery that's 4-5 years old), along with a beep. The beep would end, the lights would go off, and the car drove fine, no brake issues. Then this week, the beeping stopped, and the lights came on permanently, but still no brake issues.

    Also, for some time my MPG has been low - much lower in winter than usual, and with warming temperatures it hasn't fully recovered. Currently I'm getting maybe 35mpg. In the winter I was getting around 28. Normally I average 42. Took to a dealer a month or two ago and they couldn't diagnose any issues at that time except new tires, cold weather, and old spark plugs. Changed the plugs and it got a bit better. Currently I drive almost exclusively in town, short ranges, 5-15 minutes tops.

    From some research online, I've been trying different trouble shooting options. What I've discovered so far:
    The 12V battery is showing 11.9V in ACC mode, 10.9-11.1 under load from the headlamps in ACC mode, 11.2 with the power on, and 13.8-13.9 in engine ready. These numbers look low to me, but I'm not sure why they would throw brake codes, or if they are too low. The battery is about 1-1.5 years old - I left a light on over night and drained the last one back in early 2022, but I don't recall exactly when or what brand battery it is.

    I did see turbulence in the coolant tank and heard what I thought was the inverter coolant pump running. I'm not sure the turbulence was at the level it's supposed to be at, and don't have a way to measure that, except to compare it with videos online. It's hard to see online and in my tank, so I probably can't give any more details than that.

    I have not yet jumped the plug to reset the codes and see if they clear.

    I had an auto parts store pull the codes for me, and got C1256 and C1391 - accumulator low pressure, and abnormal leak of acc pressure. I have been hearing a weird sound while depressing the brakes sometimes, so I'm thinking that the actuator/accumulator is going. Also, I think my Prius has been making more noises in general lately, including running the engine more.

    I have a lot of questions that I hope the smart people here can please help me answer - I love the Prius, but I'm not technically skilled enough to do a lot of work on it myself. I appreciate any help!

    Should I bother jumping the pins at this point?
    Should I attempt to replace the battery at this time?
    Do I need to go to a dealership to verify if it's the actuator/accumulator, or can other mechanics handle this? I moved recently and don't trust the local dealership.
    If it's the actuator: I've read that there may be hybrid specialist mechanics who can replace it with a used part to save money - can anyone give me any recommendations on how to proceed, whether it was worth it using an older part, how do I find out what part number I need, etc.?
    I'm in the Oshkosh, WI region. I've heard there are some hybrid specialists in Madison, WI. Does anyone have recommendations on reputable mechanics who could handle these issues in my area? I'd prefer not to drive an hour+ with a potential brake issue brewing, and google isn't helping me much at this point.

    Again, I really appreciate any help!
     
  2. bisco

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    If you paid the dealer, they should have given you the trouble codes. You need them for a proper diagnosis.
    Sometimes, a low 12v can lead to unacceptable voltage at the ecu

    @ericbecky is in Madison
     
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    "Jumping the pins" is just an alternate way of accessing the trouble codes for when you haven't got a working scan tool, as described here:

    Blink (a/k/a Flash) Codes – How to. | PriusChat

    If someone has already used a scan tool and told you what the codes are, you already know them, so no pin games are necessary.
     
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    That right there is an MPG killer. At 15 min you are only just starting to pay down the cold-start deficit.
    No, not until you address the actuator/accumulator problem. In the meantime, invest in a fully automatic multi-stage AGM 2-5 Amp 12 V battery charger, if you don't have one already, and use it regularly. These charges can be had for between $50 and $80 although you could spend a lot more if you wanted to.
    Why hasn't the dealer already advised you of this, did they not do a proper health check scan when you had it with them?
    I wouldn't use a secondhand part. It seems that many are failed units and the sellers claim they do not know the history. The new part is $1,150 (on sale), so shop around at dealers like Camelback AZ or Olathe KS on Olathe Toyota Parts Center Online to find the best price and have it shipped to you. MSRP is $1,716.21 Oloathe's Sale Price $1,149.86 You can then take it to your indie Prius tech to install it

    I hope that helps.
     
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    Dolj,

    Thank you for the response. I'll check out those part dealers and the battery charger. To your other question,

    "Why hasn't the dealer already advised you of this, did they not do a proper health check scan when you had it with them?"

    I have not taken it to the dealer since the lights came on, which was a couple days ago. I do not trust my local dealer - I'm new to the area, but already have heard bad things about them. That's why I'm hoping to find recommendations of decent local mechanics who can handle the task.

    When I had it at this dealer a couple months ago, they didn't find anything wrong with the vehicle except old spark plugs. The fact that they had it, drove it, and didn't notice any of these issues, is also part of why I don't trust them very much, now.
     
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    "If someone has already used a scan tool and told you what the codes are, you already know them, so no pin games are necessary."

    Thank you. Saves me some trouble then.
     
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    Bisco,

    There were no codes at the time it was at the dealer. I got the codes from an autoparts store when the lights came on and stayed on a couple days ago.

    I understand that trouble in the ECU can lead to the lights coming on. But does it lead to codes C1256 and C1391 specifically, or would the codes be more related to the ECU?
     
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    low voltage to the computers can produce inaccurate codes. you may still need a brake actuator though
     
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    Maybe PriusChat should have an escrow feature, so I can leave a standing prize of some sort to the first person who shows that actually happening.
     
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    Check grounding wires and clean them to the bare metal. I had the same issue because my wires were not grounded properly.
     
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    I know virtually nothing about cars beyond what I read in forums like this. Which grounding wires? Where? How are they cleaned?
     
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    the connection of the 12v negative cable to the body
     
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    Every wire that is connected to the frame of the car or engine block. Cleaning them you need to unbolt and use a wire brush or something sharp to make the connection conductive again.

    My issue wasnt so much on a prius, but on another Toyota. Had the whole abs lights on, brake on, anti collision sensor, etc. All because the grounding was not attached to the frame.

    If I was you, id look which wires seem to lead from the ABS terminal, then follow it and youll find that some of the wires will be attached to the frame. Make sure theres continuity.
     
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    The codes that you have indicate issues that are not uncommon with the brake actuator as a Prius ages. Along with the sound you hear on applying the brakes, these are reasons to think it's pretty likely you really have the issues the codes indicate, and not to think it very likely that you have some coin-lands-on-edge situation with the codes being mistakenly set because of battery voltage or grounding or whatnot.

    If you want to feel sure that you've checked reasonable things before jumping into replacement, the checks you find suggested in the repair manual sections that go with those codes ought to be enough.
     
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    Thanks everyone. I've got it scheduled to go in to a shop on Friday that I think does more hybrid work in my area, and has a decent reputation (local dealership does not). If I have time I'll try to investigate the wires, but I may just leave that to the folks who know what to look for. I appreciate the advice and leads on cheaper parts!