Juneteenth

Slavery is not trivial. Indebtedness destroys families and destroys a person's physical and mental well being just the same as legalized slavery did years ago, The detrimental effects are the same.

 

Really. Actual slavery still exists in this world. Do those victims have the same means of escape as in regards to financial entemglements here?

 

i like it when athletes making hundreds of millions of dollars claim they are slaves to ownership

 

They are in fact "slaves to the mighty dollar." They are marketed for their bodies, their strength, their skills and their image.

 

So grateful we observe Juneteenth these days! We still have so much to do with truth and reconciliation and reparations for all the folks in our history who were done wrong to...

As for debt slavery, yes, that's the genius of modern capitalism... They have all these zombies in over their head in debt with no free time because they got bills to pay. Of course too much of a good thing can wreck the economy and when the next generation is graduating from college with as much debt as a new homeowner, you can expect a shortage of new home buyers to tank the housing market in a coming decades.

 

At least they still have a choice to leave that track and pick and change their own other careers.

Thanks to mother's financial planning advice and guidance by example, I have escaped that financial servitude you describe, retiring a decade ago. One sibling has done the same. The other is on the cusp, staying a bit longer only for a very attractive carrot, having no sticks behind.

Yes, financial servitude is insidious, but it is still a personal choice. Real slavery is physically forced by others. Had I been a real slave, I'd now be dead of forced overwork as my aging body failed to keep up to master's requirements, or murdered for insubordination.

 

The same athletes still get called the "N" word. The same athletes have hate mail sent to them in large volumes. The same atheltes are judged by every business man because of what race they are. It ain't about money. Its about dignity. Its about respect. Native Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Latino, Mexican and on and on it goes. Three quarters of the world contains people of color. I probably will now get vilified for posting this. But American History speaks for itself. I long for the day when all people will simply respect others. We all have had bad things happen so we all should celebrate when good things happen............in remembrance of hate and evil.

 

Well said Bob, Well said!!

 

if they are slaves, they have made themselves slaves. you could say that about almost anything

 

agreed, but it is not slavery in respect to what was done to african americans here, and what is being done to others around the world

 

Not in disagreement with that. Those that consider themselves slaves to the owners who pay them is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the basic human desire to be respected and treated with dignity. If the athlete is using the money to create and start his own business despite how he/she feels the owner is treating them, that is progress. Many athletes don't see that. Too bad. They need to talk to Tyler Perry, Magic Johnson, Steve Harvey, etc. No one is every going to be liked by everyone, but using their status to promote the idea of dignity and respect can go a long way into making a better world............for all.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century#:~:text=Contemporary%20slavery%2C%20also%20sometimes%20known,occur%20in%20present%2Dday%20society.


I've shared this link before.
KB is well off to my left and he gets more than one thing wrong in this vid......but he also gets a lot right.

 

Would it be possible (without requiring a move to that other forum, which I'm not signed up for) to point out some of the things he gets wrong? I'd be interested.

 

It's a matter of opinion.

Who do you believe? Kenneth M. Stampp or Ulrich Phillips?

 

I do understand that opinion is involved in history.

I think I'd learn something if I knew which points were the ones where ETC's opinion differs from this presenter's.

For all I know, the points of interest to ETC might not be the same ones I'd find in a Stampp/Phillips rabbit hole.

 

For starters....
KB is a proponent of reparations.
From whom and to whom he leaves a little murky.
I believe this to be not only ineffective but at the very least counter-productive if not morally bankrupt - reducing human life to a dollar amount.

MHO...

KB is a reformed history teacher, and a combat vet - if only by DOT standards (like myself.)
He generally KNOWS what he's talking about, but he leaves some things out of his rapid-fire presentations which are factually correct but lack historical nuance.

He's not quite the "Prager-U" of the left and he does avoid ad-hominem attacks, mostly.
This is why he's one of my subs.

He talks about non-political stuff as well.....

 

Ok, that's a policy proposal though. It's a person whose day job is to study historical facts saying "ok, because of historical facts X, Y, and Z, I personally am persuaded of policy P being a good idea going forward." The X, Y, and Z are his work product, the P is his personal inclination. For a historian, opinion can be involved in both, but not in exactly the same way.

Other people can look at the same things X, Y, and Z and arrive at different policy implications (more or less the way I use'ta think politics was practiced).

In the video, he seemed to be spending most of his time on the work product, and inserting fairly little of his own inclination. Which is pretty much the way I'd have wanted him to do it.

Would you say he got any of the Xs, Ys, or Zs wrong?

 

Not really, but like his nemesis PU he has a limited palette.
I've seen pure festering fecal matter passed off as '$cience' without uttering a single falsehood.

In fact, I'm seeing stuff on CNN that would have gotten people banned two or three years ago....

If you want to get into the particulars, go into FHOP_P.