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Road raging Prius driver throws a punch on camera

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Eug, Jul 3, 2023.

  1. Eug

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    I did a search and didn't find this posted. Basically, a Gen 3 Prius driver cut someone off while changing lanes and got hit, but blamed the guy he cut off.

     
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    was it fake? looked like he missed
     
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    Not fake, but yes the Prius driver missed (mostly). It turns out the victim was a meteorologist and reported it for a TV news segment, and is planning to press charges when the police find the guy. The actual crash is also documented on camera, too.

    BTW, in the comments some people are saying of course a Prius drive would miss. o_O
     
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    This is the kind of dummy we all honk at when the light turns green... Overly-slow reaction time of victim was demonstrated twice... He could of slowed down and avoided the collisions entirely if his brain worked normally, but it doesn't. He didn't start braking until it was too late.

    Same with the how the guy didn't recognize the dude was obviously walking up to him and cocking back a clenched fist getting ready to swing until it was too late... He's lucky he turned his head just in time to turn it into a glancing blow or he might of had an even slower reaction time for the rest of his life.

    And from a liability perspective the victim didn't do anything wrong, but if we had laws that required eye-tracking in vehicles to determined how alert the driver usually is to determine how much their auto insurance costs this dummy would pay way more than the rest of us.
     
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    Why is this worthy of a post?
    There are examples of bad behavior by all sorts of people. It isn’t exactly a shock that one happens to be a Prius driver.
     
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    This is Fred's House of Pancakes bro!

    When in Rome...
     
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    Nah. Personally I think the Prius driver was completely in the wrong here and that victim deserves zero blame, in both instances. While the victim didn't slam on the brakes to compensate, he shouldn't have had to, and sometimes there is risk to doing so on the highway. Also, the victim just didn't expect to get sucker punched.

    It's easy to judge after the fact, but I'm not sure if I were in the same situation I would have necessarily reacted any different. I've been in crashes too before, but nobody has ever sucker punched me, nor have I ever sucker punched anyone in that scenario. :eek:
     
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    You're wrong on both counts... There's actually a Reddit sub called Idiots in Cars and my pet peeve is people with dashcams who refuse to react to avoid a collision because they're too busy thinking that they're not a fault even though failing to avoid the collision regardless who is at fault means you're gonna have your car in a body shop for weeks or months and if its an older Prius you may have to buy a new hybrid battery because they don't do well after sitting unused for a long time.

    All that can easily be avoided by driving defensively and letting off the gas soon as the other vehicles tires start getting close to your lane and then braking as soon as its obvious that the idiot is gonna cut them off. The victim in this video not only failed to do both, but they also didn't maintain a safe speed for obvious congestion and if there was no dashcam footage the victim would of likely been at fault if the Prius driver lied about it because "following at an unsafe distance" tends to define who's at fault in these types of collisions.

    What's more, if you just got in an accident with someone and they get out of their car and start walking over to you aggressively you don't gaze at your car's damage and your phone, you look directly at them and size them up and determine if they're carrying a weapon or clenched fists and start getting out of the way/safe distance until you can better access the situation. This idiot just stood there like he never thought anyone would act like that, so why worry?

    That wasn't a sucker punch by the way... A sucker punch is when you descalate to get your victim's guard down and then punch them soon as they don't think you're gonna do it. In this case it was clear this dude was pissed and he straight up walked up to the guy and punched him without any other intention to do anything else.

    But I get it, there's alot of privledged white dudes who think no one will ever harm them and alot of women and minorities that get harmed by them all their life.

    Point being, is the collision, as well as the punch to the face after the collision could both easily been avoided if the victim wasn't sleep walking through life and was more defensive rather that stupid when it comes to avoiding stuff like this.
     
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    Were they also wearing sexy clothes?
     
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    Uh wut? The guy didn't have clenched fists, and walked over somewhat casually. But then at the last second he clenched his fists and sucker punched him. It's all right there in the first few seconds of the video.

    Meh. I'll have to call you out on this one. In my opinion, this is a classic blame the victim phenomenon, while at the same time saying "I would most definitely done much better".

    P.S. This is not about race, and it shouldn't be about race either. But since you mentioned it, for the record I'm pure-bred Asian myself and find it bizarre you're blaming the victim because he's white and got hit by someone else, twice.
     
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    It's called Summer... It's hot out.
     
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    Learn to read body language... Learn to understand the risks of the situation you're getting yourself into. The guy who caused the accident didn't pull over, but was followed for a while. That triggers a persons fight or flight if they get tracked down. Then watch him enter the screen at 4 seconds it looks a little casual, but at 5 seconds his posture stiffens staring at the person like he's ready to do more than talk and he's not slowly the speed of his walk. That's the victims chance to back pedal and deescalate. Instead he acted like it was a routine fender bender not a hit and run. The punch was thrown at 7 seconds in... That's 3 seconds of the dude telegraphing his intention to attack/punch. That's not a sucker punch, that's someone who had a chance to size up the situation and failed to do so. But I bet the weather guy will be a little more aware of the risks of chasing down a hit and run suspect next time.
     
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    He committed assault, and you are blaming the victim.
     
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    Not one bit...

    That's a totally incorrect interpretation!

    I'm giving essential advice about basic awareness of real life threats to your person/self-defense in vehicle, as well as face to face.

    The amount of distance you allow between you and your likely assailant who already attacked your vehicle in a collision and didn't pull over (a significant crime) as well your ability to understand how your behavior (pretending to be a wannabe cop chasing them down w/dashcam&phone) might antagonize their obvious criminal lifestyle. And a glancing blow to the face is a lucky day considering how many people get shot by gun worshipers in one specific country among 200 different countries on Earth these days.

    Turn it into victim blaming all you want, truth is this weather boy may be able to get his personal drama on the news, but he has alot of growing up to do when it comes to what to know to not get beaten down. Or rather this famous video sums it up best:

     
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    He probably is the President of the local Zipper Merge club. Zip that pal :LOL:
     
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    In Florida, both could carry and shoot it out. Any survivors will go free because they can 'stand their ground.'

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    Umm... As someone who keeps harping on about awareness, you probably shouldn't have used that video as an example.

    It appears you were likely unaware that the kid in the video is his son, and the "burn" on the weatherboy was completely scripted.
     
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    I think I'd focus first on the hundreds of people getting shot every week by people with guns that aren't allowed to have them. This past weekend was a normal weekend in some cities.
     
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    The best way there is to read this comment is that you would like to help people out with strategies to avoid being assaulted by assaultive people.

    Which, ok, but it doesn't change who the assailant is, or what assault is, or who the victim is. It is the assailant's responsibility to not effing assault people, and the assailant here is the person who failed that basic test of being grown up.
     
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    It really comes back to your life experiences and when the mood strikes I can talk down rather talk up, a bad habit of mine when sharing these types of self defense strategies.

    Point being, there's so much we can learn from the body language of others. And not just humans, but all the creatures we share the planet with. Most life forms communicate with body language and there's lots of humans who haven't learned that regardless of "growing up." And when in the wilderness and interacting with wildlife, knowing this body language have a huge impact on how the wild animal will interact with you.

    Some who watch the video won't see much and then be suprised the dude threw a punch. But at 4 seconds in I see the assailant size up the situation and like a switch turning on in him he decided at 5 seconds in that his victim won't even see it coming and takes on the pose of a hyper alert upright posturing you often see an MMA fighter takes when the bell rings to start the next round and they stand up to fight.

    At seven seconds the punch is thrown and between 5 to 7 seconds there were many indications that this person was about to become violent, such as not slowing down to stop to respect the victim's personal space, not showing any interest in the damage to the car, accusing the victim of damaging his car and most of all clenching a fist and pulling back the shoulder to make sure that clenched fist could have some power behind it when it was thrown. Lucky for the victim the punch was poorly thrown and turning his head at the last minute saved him from serious injury.

    Another way to explain it is from all my many experiences in war and environmental protests where you take direct action and are willing to risk arrest committing acts of non-violent civil-disobedience.

    These types of activities require a great deal of non-violence training to do correctly... And the quickest, most crass summary of what that means is: "you get in someone face until it looks like they're about to punch you in the face and then you back off and deescalate until they don't want to punch you and then you get back in their face again."

    It takes lots of altercations to get good at reading the body language of others in a way where you can maximize the message of the protest without getting arrested or beat up. So if I had to explain what I'm trying to say in this context, that's the background of it.

    And if I was in the victim's shoes, I'd of followed the hit & run suspect just long enough to get a license plate number and report it to 911 and then I'd back off entirely after that, because there's nothing good that's going to come from following someone who just committed a crime as serious as that, especially considering how many mass shooting there are every day these days.
     
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