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Are These Lower Control Arm Bushings and Control Arm Interchange Correct?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by James Analytic, Jun 16, 2023.

  1. James Analytic

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    Interestingly and I guess wrong, the lower control arms for this Delphi listing appears to note interchange and I'm wondering if that is true? More Information for DELPHI TC1445

    I've noticed with this eBay listing, as well as another, for the bushings interchange as well. https://www.ebay.com/itm/264675374459

    Anyone looked into?
     
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    I found the 2009 Corolla Sway Bar linkage to be ~1/8-1/4" longer. I'll try to measure later and report.

    Appears the ball joints do interchange for the Corolla per a few listings I reviewed here noting the 1996-2021 interchange even with the 2001 to 2021 Prius. Wondering why not the other way around, as I don't see any of the 2006 Prius listings noting the same in the similar interchange link for the other listings.

    Interestingly, I see for the 2006 Corolla lower control arm Delphi listing the same interchange information here for the TC1445 (first thread post link) with another part number, the TC1446. ***Update: 103°F impacted the mental facilities observation. Uh, yeah duh, that's the other side. Attached screenshot to substantiate a little clearer now.***

    Randomly thinking; CAD drawings to see the effect on the range of motion would be handy, if the control arms do interchange and some not connecting point section is a different specification like the width. Seems like the connecting points will be OK for the ball joint and might possibly be for the subframe connection points.
     

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    What are you trying to do? CAD or 3D scans is the easy part, whats all of this in an attempt to gain?
     
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    Gaining more interchange info for the general masses who own Prius.

    Pros and cons ideally for parts that fit, though may or may not be slightly different dimension.

    I hate to see good Toyota or Toyota OEM's used parts go to waste when I find Prius, Vibes, Matrix, Corolla and maybe more at the good yards that actually keep the vehicles up in the air. I suppose the other yards that set vehicles on the ground as well, though those get me a little more deterred.

    Probably more an inclination with the gen 3 prius since the parts amaze me how long they last. Where-as I'm not as impressed with the gen 2 prius, though own one now and am seeing how cost effective I can be with one more og Toyota. If newer gen 3 prius or newer models parts interchange, seems better to use the newer parts on the older rides.

    Kind of started with the 2006 prius I own having aftermarket strut spacers and RubberShocks. I also found other parts that are not Toyota or Toyota OEM's they use. Trying to restore parts as I need and keeping my eye out on those great and excellent deals.

    Thinking others can benefit similarly based on what I've found they've shared like say with sway bars interchange is well known, along with pros and cons of the different models and years.
     
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    ahh okay! well. I am building a Gen 2 now, ill let you know what I find out, these days I can have mostly anythign made here in the US locally.... except struts/shocks which are a WIP!
     
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    Keep us posted. I have 2" plastic spacers I found all around appears. Those have to go since seem wonky and cheap. There are RubberShocks as well and I might keep those, though plan to replace the MasterPro strut package that came with those. I already have a 2012 AWD Matrix spring set installed on a set of front Prius gen 2 struts. I have the rear Matrix struts as well, though not invested in Toyota or KYB rear struts yet. Noise is on the front, thinking sway bar bushing on drivers side and maybe those plastic spaces or strut mount bearing.

    I noticed when changing the control arm last night on the drivers side, my clunking sounds when turning more sharp slow right, appears to the sway bar link lower nut & bolt smacking the control arm.

    I still need to work on some more sounds to confirm and correct with at least OEM used by Toyota, though improving slowly but surely.

    Attached is the as-found "overlander" customized by the previous owner. It's pimp. Neat design on the back pad. Outside seems worse than my 2013, though inside I'm still keeping it clean. ~242K miles on now and got at ~235K.

    Found when changing the control arms, another aftermarket part, "ADVICE" front brake calipers which are good at least I'm thinking, though noisy as hell. Will keep my eye out at the yards for good Toyota calipers and brake set. I do have pads now and complete drums. Guessing cheap bearings that were used to change with and in time will buy Toyota new.

    I got strut mounts and still need to cut the mount point on the frame at the yard to use for the custom lift I'll later replace with at least I'm thinking. Suppose I'll do the same for the rear. Speaking of, I was thinking to use all Prius or Toyota material, the hollow tube thats on the gen 2 rear axle as the spacer material to weld between the top strut mount and bottom frame mount where the strut will mount to.
     

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    well, i need to start taking apart this Gen 2 I have. been waiting to confirm all the 3D scans work before I rip it apart.
     
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    Look like the what I thought were "ADVICE" are "ADVICS" and I'm not certain yet if actual equivalent Toyota part, though I guess good to know and can assume the rest of the parts might be something close at least. After inspections, sounds and reads like my sway bar links can be replaced and possibly the struts. Though the struts weren't listed in the quote and another mechanic who inspected confirmed my observation that the sway bar links aren't the cause of the noise. Once the car is on the ground the links bottom nut and bolt aren't hitting the control arm. Brakes still sound crispy, though no issues in performance.

    So, the last mechanic that looked at noted that there wasn't a rubber cap on the drivers side strut and was thinking that might be the source of the noise. So, didn't get on the lift and then jack the ball joint area and turn to try to recreate, though will plan on if I don't swap in the KYB with 2012 AWD Matrix springs set first since I just brought back a set of Toyota rear struts that I need to disassemble and inspect to see if they're good to keep or return, where at the least I might keep the strut mounts to use for custom lift spacers that are all metal design using Toyota materials mainly besides the welds.

    Here's the aftermath for those that want to see some video regarding in the future. Nothing special and only if you have the time, plus there is the x2 setting. Now a days who knows, might help somebody who shouldn't be doing this and did:
    (Front Bolt Aftermath)
    (Control Arm Removed)

    For install, I followed the video here where literally place a large screwdriver in first to align the bottom of the bushing with the hole the best I could get. Then inserted another longer same size M14x1.50 bolt, that I forget where came from maybe was the subframe bolt on a yard parts car, with the 3/4" socket on with an extension and wiggled back and forth into alignment. Then screwed in and finished the install with salty roads anti seized in copious amounts with the thread locker still.

    Gen 2 and Gen 3 bolts look like they're the same and interchange. Glad I grabbed the extra set of from that era Matrix control arm nut and bolts.

    I also found that the 2009 Corolla control arm fits as well as the dimensions are the same on the gen2's. Interesting researching I found the gen2 ball joints interchange with the gen3's also.

    I grabbed the 2009 Corolla control arm as well since didn't look like any collision damage on the car and will most likely keep for the lifted version of this ride and will buy new bushings with mount brackets & bolts when I swap. Those subframe bolts are already are giving me the salty road conditions for the last decade and a half woes. Eventually the passenger side control arm will need to be replaced, so maybe then if not prior since will be removing subframe bolts at that time most likely.
     

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