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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by MYPRIUS200K, Jul 26, 2023.

  1. MYPRIUS200K

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    I'll have to find out about the codes. The way my luck is going, you're probably right, but like I said, I had to take a leap of faith. We need a working car and I couldn't drive another mile in this heat wave with no AC. I was literally feeling sick and light headed. I'm on a wing and a prayer at this point and just hoping for the best.
     
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    My understanding is that inverter failure in the 2nd generation Prius is extremely rare. Inverter pump failure, on the other hand, is extremely common.
     
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    with no DIY skills and no mechanic you really can trust, maintaining a 200k miles Prius is a risk on your pocket. My advice to you is simply get rid of it and buy a simple car to maintain. There are big ticket items in a high mile Prius that can go kaput anytime. I agree with other people here, the inverter failure is very rare on a Prius. Get the codes and post it here otherwise you'll be spending money on repairs after repairs.
     
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    On the other hand if you have a friend or family member that works on cars, you aren't going to find many vehicles on the road today that has as extensive of a resource of DIY repair than PriusChat. Anyone with basic car repair skills could learn to fix any Prius problem thanks to this website and its community.
     
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    We got the car back and everything is working again, no warning lights, AC blasting. The invoice lists error code P0A09. Both the pump and inverter were replaced and coolant. When I asked why both parts were replaced, the mechanic said the inverter pump likely failed, causing the DC converter to overheat and stop working. He said they "stress tested" the battery and that, despite it's age, was still working properly and not the problem. The converter is a rebuild with warranty. I assume the pump is new. Parts, labor, all-in @ $1K. I looked through several threads here and it sounds like these inverter pump failures are very common and I guess there were even recalls related to this at some point.

    I get what everyone is saying. Given my limited mechanical knowledge, it is entirely possible I got ripped off and the battery might die next week. But at the end of the day, being unable to diagnose, much less fix the car myself, I had to take it to somebody and several friends and contacts and even one family member told me this guy was the best Prius and hybrid guy in my area and the most honest. I needed the car (and AC) operational asap for work, so I did all I could do in a bad situation and I guess time will tell. Now that I've found this forum I am trying to learn more and I appreciate all the help.
     
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    Only $1K for that part of the country is a super honest and reasonable price, especially because it was fixed so quickly. They could of spent more time testing the inverter to be sure it wasn't just the inverter pump or ECU, but that would of taken them way more time than just replacing what the error code says was broken and be done with it.
     
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    congratulations on finding a good, honest Prius mechanic. You might ask him if he’s care to have you give his name and business name here. Seriously. And don’t second guess yourself. He had the car and fixed it. Sounds like a win to me.
     
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    I don't think you were ripped off. Just because the inverter rarely fails does not mean it never fails. It sounds like you have found a knowledgeable and honest mechanic. The job was done quickly and the cost was very reasonable.
     
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    I'm still not convinced the inverter was bad, but do understand the tradeoff between testing a part extensively (many hours of billed work) and just changing it.

    I don't think though that the inverter pump failing is supposed to ever damage the inverter. The car is supposed to shut itself down before such damage can occur. Jumping the car with polarity reversed can take out the inverter though:

    Reverse polarity jump / Fried inverter / 2008 Prius | PriusChat

    The OP might want to also check the wiring and plug going to the battery pack fan. Corrosion there (or in at least one case rodent damage) can result in a P0A09 code. Always with P0A08 though, I think. If the OP's car leaks when it rains into the auxiliary battery compartment corrosion at that position is likely. See these threads:

    2005 Prius trouble codes P0A08 and P0A09 | PriusChat
    https://priuschat.com/threads/gen-2-p0a09-591-the-ol-red-triangle.235257
     
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    Thanks, I'd like to think so. I'm definitely not second guessing, will leave that to others. I have to think positive. Time will tell.

    The only reason I haven't named the mechanic or shop is because this was my first personal experience dealing with him and I want to give it a little time, so I can feel confident that this resolved the issue. Also, if there does happen to be an issue, how he responds to that would also affect whether I would recommend him to others.
     
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    I can't recall any jumps. We did replace the 12V battery a few years back. I'll check the aux battery compartment for water or corrosion.

    The car is garaged at home and work, and we have never had any rodent or water issues.

    I looked through those threads and also looked up some other related threads. In this one, @Patrick Wong mentions that pump failure can cause the converter to overheat and stop working. Beats me, but perhaps it's possible.

    Inverter water pump failure | PriusChat
     
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    It "stops working" by powering off the inverter if the temperature gets too high. My understanding is that it just won't operate at a temperature so high that it would cause immediate damage. The car can limp along in a pitiful state until the 12V finally discharges below the point at which the car will still run. That might destroy the auxiliary battery as it is a very very deep discharge. I suppose that getting hot enough to throw the code repeatedly might eventually damage the inverter though.
     
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    glad that your mechanic sorted it out and the repair is not that bad $$-wise. The issue could have been prevented if it wasn't driven longer when the red triangle shows up. As far as I know limp mode will protect the car up only to some extent. Just like overheating in most cars now (engines are made up of aluminum and no temp gauges) it will shutdown the cylinders to cool it off but in reality it can't really cope up with long term usage. The heater coolant valve is also known to fail and leak coolant (a slow leak or a puddle), if this is also not addressed sooner then it can ruin the engine.
     
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