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Mendel Leisk · Aug 3, 2023

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Noticed we were out of bread this afternoon and I like the kind that Costco has
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We shook that habit.

bisco · Aug 4, 2023

at 42 cents a kwh, i should learn how to bake bread

Mendel Leisk · Aug 4, 2023

Even better: those are fried bread (English Muffins).

just looking lol: that’s the first side fried, the crease on each is from lifting off a cookie sheet onto the griddle. More subtle: the dimples on the opposite side are from my fingers.

Salamander_King · Aug 4, 2023

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Noticed we were out of bread this afternoon and I like the kind that Costco has. The store is about 4 miles from me, or 8 miles round trip.
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We don't have Costco in our state... I think there will be one grand opening later this year, but that will be a ~6 hours drive for us. We do go to Sam's Club. But being 2+ hours away, we make the trip only every couple of months. When we do go there, we buy "bulk". We have done it with our PP, but could not shop everything we wanted to buy, like 2 cases of paper towels, and 3 cases of toilet paper. Escape works better for this. LOL

Salamander_King · Aug 4, 2023

Mendel Leisk said: ↑

Even better: those are fried bread (English Muffins).
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Popover is our staple breakfast "bread", although afternoon tea and popovers are popular favorite activities here.

Mendel Leisk · Aug 4, 2023

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Popover is our staple breakfast "bread"
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Ah, I used to make Yorkshire pudding, very similar I think; relies on beaten egg white alone for leavening.

reaching new heights of off-topic lol.

Salamander_King · Aug 4, 2023

Mendel Leisk said: ↑

Ah, I used to make Yorkshire pudding, very similar I think; relies on beaten egg white alone for leavening.

reaching new heights of off-topic lol.
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I could move this to Fred's House of Pancakes, but, then we can only discuss Pancakes. No English Muffins, Popovers, or Yorkshire puddings. LOL

From what I have read, Maine's Popover was re-invented by the early settler from England taking after the Yorkshire pudding recipes. But I don't exactly know what differentiates the two. Not having had an authentic Yorkshire pudding myself, I don't even know if they taste any different.

Salamander_King · Aug 4, 2023

OK... I found this

Is Yorkshire pudding same as popovers?

Yorkshire Pudding vs Popovers

The only difference between popovers and Yorkshire puddings is that Yorkshire Pudding uses beef fat (the drippings from the roast). These popovers are a little lighter in flavor and you can also prepare them ahead of time.

bisco · Aug 5, 2023

about forty years ago, mrs. b started making coffee can english muffin bread. we both put on about 20 pounds and had to give that up.

Gokhan · Aug 6, 2023

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Well, it has been ~8 mo since I traded in the 2021 PP Ltd for a 2022 Escape PHEV SEL. My initial motive was to trade in both PP and PathFinder Hybrid and reduce the cost of owning two cars and at the same time reduce the amount of gas used. At the end of 2022, while the tax credit was still available on Escape PHEV and getting a very good offer for a then 16 mo old 21 PP, the trade-in was basically no money even swap, even though the Escape PHEV had a substantially higher MSRP than the 21 PP Ltd.

With the distance we are driving on daily bases, we can live with a single car. The PP was far more efficient than Escape PHEV on fuel (both gas and electricity), but it was just too small of a car to have as the only car in our household. We needed a bigger cargo space. For our cargo usage, our Pathfinder Hybrid was getting old and started costing more for maintenance. Besides, it was a gas guzzler such that we only used it for special occasions when we had to have a larger cargo space. We drove it only ~2K miles a year for this reason. The rest were on the PP.

Since I was and still am working from home, I did not need a daily driver for commuting. It was a good opportunity for us to reduce the number of cars and lower the overall costs, especially for gasoline purchases. Initially, I thought we would be doing more daily trips of distance 25-50 miles in which the PP would run out of the EV range and use gas, but Escape would be able to handle most if not all of it on EV. Turned out, Escape PHEV does not handle the cold climate very well. Any time the ambient temperature is below 32F, the engine comes on upon turning on. This made the car essentially on HV mode for most of the short daily trips during winter. During winter, the EV range was severely reduced to an average of ~28 miles which is considerably shorter than the EPA-rated 37 miles (though this was also true for the PP), making it not very fuel efficient. But when the weather got better, the EV range increased. In warmer months, it can easily get EPA-rated 37 miles, and I often can push it to go over 50 miles on a single charge.

So, after 8 months, here is the analysis I just run. By comparison to the PP, it is clearly not as efficient. Since most of the shorter trips are within PP's EV range distance, and longer trips were with more people and cargo thus reducing the overall mpg, by head-to-head comparison, PP clearly wins the efficiency over Escape PHEV. It would have been interesting if I could compare the number against Rav4Prime, which was also a car I considered, but the lack of tax credit and availability made it impossible to trade in back then.

The numbers are calculated based on the actual miles driven and the other car costs which include maintenance, service, insurance, tax, fees, and registration on all three cars but normalized to the same 8-month period. It does not include the cost of the car itself. So, this is simply a comparison of operational costs. I used the current gas price of $3.60/gal and electricity of $0.32/kWh. Since our driving habits have not changed drastically last few years, the total miles driven by two cars (PP and PathHy) for an adjusted 8mo period or 7,411 miles was not dramatically different from the distance we drove Escape in the last 8 mo period or 6,914 miles.

A few of the highlights for the Escape PHEV replacing PP and PathHy:

reduced 497 miles total travel distance in 8 mo.

average overall MPG of Escape is 33% better than the combined average overall MPG of PP and PathHy

saved 5.7gal/mo of gas or 68 gal/yr gasoline at the current rate which is ~$20/mo or $240/yr saving on gas

Escape is substantially less efficient than PP both on HV (Escape 38mpg vs. PP 58mpg) and EV (Escape 3.8miles/kWh vs PP 5.0miles/kWh) and used more electricity to charge (~11kWh for full charge compared to ~6.5kWh for PP)

Escape's average EV range is ~28 miles in winter and ~43 miles in summer compared to PP's 21miles in winter and 34miles in summer

Overall Escape PHEV replacing PP and PathHy saved $33.81/mo on total operational cost. This saving would be expected to go up since more of the amortized cost of tax and service (cost of 4 wheels and tires for winter) will be lower over a longer period.

For the last 8 mo, I have not had any major trouble or service on this car other than winter wheels/tires. Although the car now has the engine fire recall Ford currently has no remedy for it, the chance of that happening is low. Other than the fact that a stupid panoramic roof makes it impossible to install the roof rack, I don't have a complaint. It runs well, handles OK, and cargo is large enough, though not as large as PathHy. The seat is very comfortable and supportive better than PP in my opinion. And Ford 360 system works better than TSS2.0 in the 21 PP. I never thought I would need to use it, but on rare occasions, it helped me navigate long dark highway night driving almost flawlessly. That being said, do I recommend switching to Escape PHEV if you have a PP? Not really. Unless you really have to have a larger cargo and spare tire under the deck, it makes not much sense to trade in your PP for a less efficient, less reliable SUV.

I plan to keep it for 3 years, then will likely trade it for a better car.
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Sell all cars: Delta = $503.49

Salamander_King · Aug 6, 2023

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Sell all cars: Delta = $503.49
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Yeah, that would be my dream come true. Live self-sufficiently, totally off grid in a log cabin in the woods. But, it is an illusive dream, indeed.

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