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What to do with 2002 Prius that needs too much work?

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by kbbpll, Aug 31, 2023.

  1. ronlewis

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    Whoa, that's awesome - from the manifold back to the flange at the rear wheel, with that big curve in it? If so, that's good to know.
     
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    We have a Sienna so there's no problem transporting the exhaust system, if I decided to do that separately. I contacted the local dealership and of course they have no interest in it. I have a couple calls in to local auto salvage places. I tried to place an ad on craigslist but it says something about being banned. I only place an ad there once a year at most and I've never violated their terms (to my knowledge anyway) so I don't know what that's all about.
     
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    You can't sell used cats, it's illegal. So your ads can't state that. Ebay took my ad down for that. It's a tough sell. No one has responded to my ads except people trying to resell them to the same cat recyclers I can sell to.
     
  4. JohnPrius3005

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    You might have read about rampant CAT thefts. That's why ads are banned. Try just putting "complete exhaust system", also try FaceBook marketplace. Selling to a business that is going to resell will net you the least possible.
     
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    Well, they were actually banned before the cat theft epidemic. IDK whether it's because the old ones not effective at reducing pollution, or maybe people were reselling their old no good cats to unsuspecting buyers,
     
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    Thanks for the tip, that was the problem. Ad posted using "exhaust intact" instead. The cat theft problem never occurred to me.
     
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    Now craigslist is making me nervous. I had one guy respond via email relay who only asked for my phone number. I asked if he had a question and he disappeared. It seemed suspicious. Maybe I'm paranoid but that site is full of scammers and I'm afraid of being targeted for theft. I deleted the ad for now until I figure out whether someone can geolocate me from the photos. Any advice on that is appreciated.

    I'm also wondering if anyone has a cat serial number from a 2002 so I can look up the scrap value. A bunch of sites will do this if you have a serial number. You can PM me if you want or tomorrow I'll crawl under the car and see if I can find it.
     
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    Oh heck, I can't remember mine, but yours could be different. There's two numbers, one for each cat. One is pretty easy to see, but the other can only be seen though a hole in one of the sheet metal brackets that attach. I wasn't watching too closely and don't remember which cat, just that it was an oblong hole less that two inches long and maybe 3/8" wide. Takes looking in at the right angle as well, for what I could tell watching the guy find it.
     
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    SYK, that's going to be a frustrating process - trying to get anyone to tell you a price. They all try to get you to bring them in for them to lookout knowing that once you do, you're unlikely to leave and go somewhere else. I definitely got the feeling that the business expects cat sellers to be criminal/druggie types.
     
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    Yes that's why I really just want to sell the whole car. They'll know it isn't a stolen cat. Looking up the serial# of the cat I figured might give me a baseline for valuing the deal. One guy offered me $350 before I pulled the ad and I thought it was a bit low, but I honestly just want to get it out of my driveway and move on. I can't shop the deal around since the car isn't drivable. Thanks again for the advice.
     
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    That's what you get from the ads - people just trying to buy from you and resell to the recyclers. Most will be those. I'm just trying to tell you that you're making it harder than it has to be with your efforts to manage the process and see through the darkness. Just sayin' I did a lot of that, it's frustrating. But, here's the company I finally found that everyone else seemed to be taking the cats to:

    https://pgmoftexas.com/locations/

    Maybe one of those locations is near you. They're not just in TX. I got $785. Quick, easy. They seemed very honest. And, that's with prices low right now. They were $1200 not long ago.

    Takes a half hour or less to remove. drop it off, get your money and have someone haul off the rest. That's all there is to it. If you don't want to do that, I understand, but grinding through the details is a waste of time. Just not worth it.
     
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    The offer was from a recycling business 30 miles from here. I'll keep your advice in mind.
     
  13. JohnPrius3005

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    You’re smart to be wary to the point of paranoia about Craigslist. Keeping control of the process of selling is helpful. All you’re trying to do is maximize what you get for the car and get rid of it. You do this by finding someone who wants it to do a DIY repair. For that person this is a great deal.
    Don’t post photos (I hadn’t thought of geolocation and how to strip that data from photos).
    And you ask the questions to responders - their phone number and email, and only communicate via CL relay until you are confident.
    A better bet might be advertising here on PriusChat. Not guaranteed you won’t be found by scammers, but more likely to find a DIY buyer.
    Parting out the car even to sell the cat is far too much work. Let the DIY buyer do that.
    You have a rough idea of the value of the parts.
    It really comes down to how much time and effort you want to put into getting maybe $1000-$1500 total.
    And yeah it’s not quick or easy. (That’s why in Hawaii people give away junk cars all the time. And why people donate cars - just to get rid of them. ). Just limit yourself to doing what you’re comfortable with and get on with other things in your life. Dealing with people who are in the car biz is not the way to go. By nature they are dishonest hustlers with the chance of finding an honest one being too remote to consider. That all being said, to the right person your car is a good deal. Finding that person locally is not easy. Good luck.
     
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    Update: I figured out that geolocation in the images only happens when you have that turned on on your phone, mine is off, I tried my best to determine whether my coordinates were in the images and they weren't, so I reposted the ad asking $800.

    I received multiple responses from both recyclers and DIY guys. Only one has physically looked at it. My 12v was dead but he had one of those instant jump things. After hooking it up and trying to start, he messed around and found three blown fuses. He said they must have been like that, then swapped some good fuses into the bad fuse spots, using two spares and I think the one from the dome light. At some point he noted that the display was dead. He said something about thinking that the ECU was fried or whatever; I don't recall what exactly. The guy had a heavy Russian accent, talked a mile a minute, and was difficult to understand. I didn't appreciate all the rapid fire messing around he was doing, but heck, maybe he wants the car. He didn't.

    Another guy is from 30-40 miles away and really wanted it to be drivable enough to get it to his place. Another recycler offered me $600, I said I had others interested, he upped to $700, I accepted his offer, then he wanted photos of the cat to confirm it was OEM (which I insisted all along that it was), then after the photos he reneged on his offer and said $500. Another supposed recycler matched his $500 but then went on and on about where I'm located, how is he going to turn his giant truck around with his trailer, what error codes I was getting on the HV and exhaust systems and how now it's worth less, the P0420 I had gotten means it can't be the OEM cat, blah blah blah.

    Meanwhile I had taken my newest 12v battery, 09/20, to the parts store to see if it could be charged up. They tried for ~an hour and said it was bad.

    So today I had the brilliant idea to get new fuses, put them all back where they belong, check to make sure they're all good and in the right spots, and with no 12v battery in the Prius, hooked up my jumpers from my Subaru directly to the battery cables in the trunk. It started right up. It had 1 bar showing, and the display worked again. The HV charged to 2 bars (halfway) after about 5-10 minutes and the engine cycled off. I started it up again, it went to 3 bars, and .... it shows no errors! No red triangle, no check engine light, nothing.

    What the heck? I should probably get it to a shop to pull the codes but I don't want to invest in a new 12v battery just for that. If anybody has a clue about what's going on with this car, I'm all ears.

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    it's possible it just needs a new 12v, along with the many other issues you stated in your first post. did you ever get the trouble codes?
     
  16. kbbpll

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    The codes have been P0420, P3009 and P3006. I'll have to go back through shop records and see what else - I think there was one that inspired replacing the ignition coils a few years back. The P3009 "high voltage leak" we've gotten more than once, and previous times it went away (the big red triangle) after a while, so we just kept driving it.
     
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    you might at least get it to a point where a prospective buyer could drive it, idk.
     
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    I guess that's one plan - at least drive it to someone (close) who wants to buy it. I suppose I could temporarily take a 12v battery out of another vehicle and rig it up like the photo, since the cables don't fit on a normal car battery. One thing I don't want to do is buy a new battery just to be able to drive the car somewhere to sell it as junk.

    Part of my problem is being too sentimental about this car and today being given false hope that maybe it could live on. I have to remind myself that it barely made it into our driveway the last time it was driven and it will never be reliable again without thousands of dollars pumped into it. Thanks for the feedback.
     
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    With other fuses blown, it's possible the main 100A fuse in the fuse box under the hood is also blown. This fuse protects the DC to DC converter inside the inverter. With a blown fuse, the car will run while it's connected with jumper cables to the other car, or for a short time off a good 12v battery before it's discharged.

    A way to check is after starting the car, disconnect the jumper cables and measure across the Prius battery terminals with a volt meter. Normally when charging it's around 14V.
     
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    Good on you getting the geo-location aspect sorted out.
    I advise against having anyone attach anything to your car - battery charger or whatever - and/or mess with fuses. You got lucky with the Russian guy and learned something. But it's better to trust your instincts - if they look, talk and act like a hustler then assume they are. Also take control of the Craigslist process - always get callers to give you their phone number and email. If they won't do that, ignore them. And then you initiate any further contact, preferably with your caller id blocked.
    All the characters you describe are trying to low ball you, greed knows no limits You now have a reasonable idea of what you could get for the car. Probably $1000 cash, take it or leave it.
    From here on out you have a few possible options. You can try a few things - like hooking up some other battery. Any charged 12V battery will work.
    You could buy a cheap MightyMax 35Ah 12v bat on Amazon, especially if you have Prime free shipping. And a Foxsur cheap 12v charger. These are items I use myself all the time.
    And if you junk the car, take the 12V bat out, or require an extra $100.
    To go a step further you could get a hacked version of Techstream on eBay. Search "mini VCI cable". Getting it working is not much more complex than sorting out geo-location on your phone. Then you can read codes yourself.
    But, the high likelihood is that your car, at its age (mileage?) does indeed need thousands, unless you become a DIY wizard yourself. I keep my cars limping along, but I'm ultra aware they are by no means reliable.
    Also since you may sell to a hustler after all, be sure you get title and registration (and consequent liability) out of your name. Check with your state DMV how to best do this. The last thing you want is any continuing liability once the car is gone. And many hustler buyers will be looking to keep the car in your name until they mickey mouse it to running and flip it.
    Good luck. Please feel free to ask me specific questions.
     
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