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Gen 3 Prius outside temp sensor inaccurate

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Telkwa, Sep 10, 2023.

  1. Telkwa

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    Just started doing this a coupla days ago. The "outside temperature" indicator inside car seems to be reading low. The indicator showed 66 deg when I first pulled out of the garage. I saw it climb to about 72 deg. over the course of an hour or more while driving around town and making a few stops. Ambient outside was at least 75 deg.

    Drove it again the next day, which was warmer. IIRC started out at about 66 deg. again and barely moved from that mark.

    Has anyone run into this?

    I'm googling some videos to find out where the sensor is and how hard to access. I hope it's just the sensor!
     
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    When you're standing in front of the car with the hood up look down in between the AC condenser and the outer or inner portion of the front bumper cover you'll see a little piece of plastic sticking forward off of the center support that splits the radiator in half or looks like it does It's the part the hood latch is attached to also It's a cross bar that runs up and down right in the middle of the radiator and condenser this bar at the very bottom of it has the temp sensor plugged into it It could have been moved and come disconnected and be laying against the radiator fins or such.
     
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    The only time I see the ambient sensor lower than expected is when it is wet.
     
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    It is fairly common for that temp. reading to be "inaccurate" but it usually reads higher than
    ambient rather than lower.

    Since that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the operation of the car, I suggest that you wait a while before
    you do anything about it.
     
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    Ambient temperature is an input to the AC system’s neural network.

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    Did that information come from Toyota.......or NASA ?

    I have seen NO evidence that the AC system on any car I have ever driven is anywhere
    NEAR that sophisticated.

    If it did come from Toyota, what models is it supposed to apply to ?
    Certainly not all of them.
     
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    It’s one of those top secret Toyota TIS documents called the Repair Manual for the gen3 Prius.
     
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    Neural Network??
    Kinda sounds like Skynet.
    That description seems to have something having to do with A/C and interior temps(?). My concern is the outside temp reading.
    Thanks for the input; I'll try to put my eyes on the sensor but at this point sam spade's advice to wait makes sense to me.
     
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    how long is 'awhile'?
     
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    The algorithm takes the outside temp (ambient), uv radiation (solar), room temp(cabin) along with evaporator temp and several other realtime points (including engine and inverter temps) to determine the system capacity and airflow needed or allowed.

    This computer controlled, variable capacity, integrated system was groundbreaking in 2004 for any vehicle much less standard in an economy car. The three phase electric compressor has proven to be very reliable and can output max capacity while the vehicle is parked with the engine off. Far more advanced than 99% of our residential systems even twenty years later.
     
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    Yes but is that sensor the SAME one that produces a reading on your dashboard ?
    Somehow I doubt it.
     
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    Yes. Why would they have two?
     
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    Because they serve two ENTIRELY different purposes.
    And likely the "fancy neural network" needs a different kind of input than the dash readout does.
    That is, if you believe the hype.
     
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    Knowing the ambient temperature is an ENTIRELY different purpose from knowing the ambient temperature?

    The sensor behind the front bumper is a thermistor and wired to the ECM.

    The HVAC controller is on the CAN bus, and says "hey ECM, what's the ambient temperature?".

    In a Gen 3, the outside temperature that you see, you see on the HVAC controls display, and that's how that number gets there. (In Gen 1 and Gen 2, you saw it on the MFD, so there was an extra "hey, what's the ambient temperature?" step involved.)