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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by bdc101, Sep 26, 2023.

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    Hi all,

    First time hybrid owner here, but a longtime DIYer. I bought a 2010 Prius this weekend with what appears to be a slightly blown head gasket. (It never overheated but the PO had a mechanic who said there was a bit of coolant in cylinder 4.) I drove it home and parked it, and put my trickle charger on the 12v auxiliary battery in the trunk because it needed to be replaced (it is original but seems to hold a fair amount of charge).

    I let it sit like that for two days, while I cleaned out the interior really good and washed it (it has an incredible amount of dog hair and stink). I unhooked the trickle charger for a while and when I came back it measured 12.40 volts. I tried to start it, and the dash lights up but it just beeps at me and says "CHECK HYBRID SYSTEM." When I try to shift to reverse, it says something about putting it in P to shift from park.

    I put the charger back on it and got it up to 12.50 volts just now, but it still says the same thing.

    During my cleaning, I unhooked the battery fan so I could inspect it and clean it, but I checked and I'm pretty sure everything is plugged in. I also removed the auxiliary battery, but put it back in, and I pulled the hybrid battery interlock for a bit while I was working for safety, but put that back in. The only things unhooked right now are the sensors under the front seats (took them out to clean). What did I do that caused this error?

    Also: the hybrid battery is full except for the top two bars. The gas is 3/4 tank full.

    Thanks for helping me troubleshoot my first hybrid screwup. Appreciate it!!
     
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    I should also note that I checked codes with a Foxwell NT510 OBDII reader and there were no codes stored or pending.
     
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    Well! And it turns out I did not slide the tab on the orange battery disconnect all the way over after I pushed it in and turned it.

    Please disregard this message!

    Now on to taking things apart! I am hoping and expecting that the HG leak was mild enough that the bottom end is all OK. The car has high miles (262k) but has mostly done highway miles, and the hybrid battery has been tested good recently. I'm hoping to just resurface the head and put a new HG on and drive it.
     
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    You'll need to clean out the EGR circuit (egr cooler) and intake manifold. There will be a lot of carbon buildup. Replace the HG and hopefully you'll have a good running car.
     
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    Yes the car is just broke in The engine pretty much very well broken If mechanics are already seeing seepage into any of the cylinders then the setup is there to create vapor lock and to bend a rod and cause havoc You just want to be aware of that when you pull the cylinder head off somebody that knows what they're looking at will be able to tell pretty quickly by putting the Pistons in the middle to the top and the Pistons on the ends of the block again at the top and have a look you'll clearly see what's not right whether anybody does anything about it is another story. It's open deck design allows things to flex more It's just about as simple as the hat.
     
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    I recommend that you also replace the engine coolant water pump and thermostat. Use OEM.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    At least bust open the water pump it just takes a second literally and look at the impeller somebody else here has been able to buy the impeller on Amazon for like $30 and if you're impeller has flaking cracking plastic around it just chuck it get a new one pop it in there and I bet your pump works is specified which you can test plugged in but not bolted up sitting in the car with tech plugged up.
     
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    Lets hope you are advanced diy with 262k on the odo
    Rookie mistake for sure
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    There will be many more lessons learned from a high mile gen3.

    I would not drive it again until the engine is fixed or replaced. Among other issues, gen3 have bad pistons and rings leading to excessive oil consumption. Consider a professionally rebuilt low mile engine.
     
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    Was trying to remember what that reminded me of, oh yeah: "slightly pregnant"?

    Anyway, check the links in my signature (on a phone turn it landscape). Deal with the head gasket first, and follow up promptly with a thorough clean of the EGR and intake manifold cleaning.

    Also, a 2010 with those miles is almost guaranteed to have an oil "drinking problem": Toyota, in search of mpg brownie points, used low-friction piston rings that have proven incapable of doing their job much past 100K. Not sure where/when/how you'd deal with that. In conjunction with the head gasket seems practical. One route: remove engine (in the course of head gasket replacement), have a machine shop go over the head, and swap in a brand new "short block" (it will have revised pistons/rings, per attached). Get the Toyota gasket kit (contains all internal gaskets/seals, part no in attached), and play it safe new head bolts (part no in attached).
     

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    Mama's 2010 that's been in the wind for most of its life just started its first hiccup rattle two days ago. Been expected for some time now
     
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    We need a public service announcement warning delivery drivers and other high mile used car buyers about gen3.

    Especially since it is so easy to hide a hg problem long enough to flip these cars with an as-is bill of sale.

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    Plus brake boosters and oil consumption.
     
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    Yup, pour a bottle of stop-leak into the engine coolant, make sure the the oil's topped up, pressure wash the engine bay, and when prospective buyer comes for test-drive, have the car "warmed up for them".

    Toyota's not much help. With all of the Warranty Enhancement Program edicts we've got, they rubber-stamp this phrase:

    While the majority of vehicles will not experience this condition

    ^ Just like that, italicized and underlined for emphasis.
     
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    If you're going to work on this car you will learn a lot. A few "essentials"
    Get techstream
    Get a 12v charger
    Build a "grid charger"
    Get a good digital multimeter
    Get another car to use while you work on this one.
     
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    congrats and welcome!

    all the best with your project car, sounds like fun.
     
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    I have all of those except techstream and the grid charger. I bought this car so I could stop driving my gas-guzzling 2003 BMW X5 so much. I have to keep the BMW to tow my camper trailer in the summers, but this Prius will pay for itself in gas while keeping the miles off the BMW, which has become a maintenance handful (putting it nicely).

    Thanks for the recommendations - I have indeed checked out most of the links in your signature. They are most helpful! The reason I said "slightly blown" is because the PO had the car tested by a mechanic, who pressure-tested the cooling system overnight yet found "a few drops" of coolant in cylinder 4. I know the car never overheated, so I'm hopeful that there's also no damage to the connecting rod, and that a simple HG change will fix it (along with some deferred maintenance like the WP, thermostat, EGR cleaning, and a few other things). If I find a bent rod when I take the head off, I'll probably just order a Toyota short block. I checked and my local dealer's online shop says they are only $1850! That seems unbelievably cheap. But I'm hoping not to, since that's a much bigger project than a HG.

    I am going to tear into the car tonight. Will know more then. I'm not going to order any parts until I have the head off, and hopefully make one big order.
     
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    Anyone want to tell me just how critical it is to have techstream? With my BMW I couldn't have survived 7+ years of ownership without advanced diagnostic tools. But is is critical to owning a Prius? I have to say - my Japanese cars have just not given me many problems. I drove Toyotas most of my life (with a couple of Mazdas in there), and to be totally honest, I never even owned an OBDII code reader until I bought my BMW!
     
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    You can probably get some repairs accomplished without Techstream (or a comparable scan tool) if it's really important to you to prove you can do it. But you'll be doing it all backwards and in heels.
     
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    It depends on what you are doing. Most repairs you don't need techstream.
    Like for the head gasket. And if you caught it in time, seems you did, then you'll be fine.
    Just make sure you get the WHOLE head gasket kit.

    Once you start unpluging things, do not turn the car on! Probably best to disconnect the 12v battery.


     
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    Yes, and they all have the revised pistons and rings, reputedly less prone to oil consumption.
     
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    You don’t have a typical Toyota and the generation3 you have is arguably the worst Prius made especially at higher miles. You can’t even do a thorough brake bleed without Techstream or a much more expensive scanner. Almost all hybrid data except for the battery is largely hidden from the cheap auto supply scanners. BMW has nothing on a Prius when it comes to complexity and most mechanics shun them.
     
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