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I think my Nexcell battery is going on it's way out after 2 years

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by CapnBio, Sep 28, 2023.

  1. CapnBio

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    Hey all to preface my 2014 prius it currently has about 170k miles and replaced the battery at about 150k miles.

    Story Time

    About 2 years ago I had replaced the battery on my 2014 Prius, it was giving me issues with gas mileage and everything from dash lights to the car turning off while driving. I had replaced it with the Project Lithium's Nexcell set of batteries and was it going amazing for the past two years and until yesterday I got home and everything started hitting the fan, I had gotten a "traction battery protection mode restart after shifting to P position" and "check hybrid system stop vehicle in a safe place" but flashing between both simultaneously. The car will restart and drive for just a little bit and while sitting the car will "discharge" completely and the "fully charge" almost within a minute after starting up the car then the messages will pop up again. I have been basically been using my car to go to and from work and little errands and that has been about it.

    Just today I took it to the Toyota dealership and they are saying the battery is now bad and needs to be replaced, when I took a look at the battery with the Dr. Prius app, it gives me "normal" looking readings for a bit at the beginning of starting the car and then it just goes out and starts giving me readings to replace the battery pack.

    Test Results

    The readings I have gotten so far on the first reading is 262.97v at the pack, SOC was as low as 25% but the blade voltage being at 9.39 volts with a voltage difference of 2.73v. Next start up was at 262.41v pack, 26.28% SOC and 3.75v and voltage difference of 2.36 and blade at 3.75. The last one before the car turns off the SOC was at 100.01% or above blade voltage of 3.33 volt diff 0.18 pack v at 232.98v.

    I let all the tests sit before heading to the dealership and had gotten vastly different results every time, the ICE would never turn off each time, either discharging the battery or charging it. I do need to mention that accelerating is lagging behind as it can take a second or two to kick into acceleration.

    Conclusion

    I fear that I would need to change the battery once more when they are not available on the store today. Has anyone dealt with a situation like this and was able to find the root cause on an issue like this?


    TL;DR

    Stock battery has been replaced at 150k with Nexcell Batteries now 20k miles later battery has taken a dump on me and giving me a boat load of battery issues and error and crazy results on Dr. Prius app. Now I am scared that I need to replace the battery again after 2 years.
     
  2. bisco

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    what's the warranty?
     
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    I guess the aren't as good as has been stated. What was the warranty on it?
     
  4. CapnBio

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    Unfortunately the Warranty is only for 2 years. I was expecting to get another 3 to 8 years out of this battery. I have heard stories that they have gone years without replacing the batteries with the new ones, which is why I went with them.
     
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    Well that's sad. Only 2 years? "IF" it IS as good as some are saying, why only 2 years?
    It should be 5 years.
    If you plan on keeping the car for several years, I would suggest getting NEW original type cells.
    They certainly last longer than 2 years. And they cost less. And have a longer warranty.

    I would usually suggest using the Prolong system, but I don't believe it was designed for those
    type of cells. So not sure if it would work or not. You could call them and ask...
     
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    Contact jack, he’s pretty good about goodwill warranty
     
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    While I've never seen these symptoms in Gen3 before, they do happen in Gen2.

    Basically, your voltage sensor harness and battery ECU likely have corrosion issues and are giving bad readings, which as you've explained is a sudden drop in pack charge and then quickly back to normal. The concern with this problem is that it could potentially overcharge the pack and damage it.

    The solution is cleaning your ECU and voltage sensor harness and main cables of all signs of corrosion. Thankfully, Jack is always innovating and has also built a version 2 circuit for your modules, which will aggressively protect your pack from this type of damage if you have corrosion causing overcharging. It also optimizes voltage balance and operating temperature, which will significantly improve your MPG.

    If you live in the Seattle area I can install the V2 circuit in your modules in just a few hours as soon as tomorrow... If not, Jack can ship you a set V2 circuits for you to install yourself, or have your mechanic do it. Or you can ship it back to Jack and he'll likely do it for free if you cover cost of shipping.
     
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    I totally agree on this, but at the time when I looked into it, I did not want to pay close to 5k now the batteries have gotten significantly cheaper since then, the dealer has quoted me about $3,500 which is still a hefty price to pay.

    Good news on this, he actually has gotten back to me, he was very kind to let me know what are my options, and we are going to remove the individual cells and upgrade to the v2 covers.

    That is what Jack was telling me, when I get my car back today I will give it a thorough check on the harnesses and HV ECU for corrosion. I will get my car back without replacing the battery, Jack and I will be able to solve this. He was able to get back to me personally on this matter and help out. I will hope that the new V2 features will make the battery last even longer and eliminate corrosion as much as possible.
     
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    So you'll have supposedly new cells with older cells? Can you say "wack a mole"????

    2 years ago I was seeing new cells for $2-2500.

    And if you still don't tell the car what type of batteries it's charging, you'll still have issues....
    At least you were able to get something.....
     
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    I don't know Jack or anything other than what I've read here about Nexcell but what you are describing about Jack stepping up to the plate says a lot about him and his company. This is really great PR and smart business. Please post how this works out for you. Good luck.
     
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    There's no wack a mole going on here. All the cells in the pack will be tested and if the car was driven for too long with this malfunction and a cell or two are damaged due to overcharging they will be replaced with a well matched cell and if a greater number than that were damaged then the whole pack will be replaced, often at the Project Lithium's expense, which is manageable thus far because it's a relatively rare issue related to the car battery ECU malfunctioning, not the pack.

    The warranty clearly states that if you're gonna install the pack with corroded wiring, corroded ECU or busbars you run the risk of voiding the warranty. Fortunately, Jack knows customer service matters and he'll do all he can short of going broke to help people with this.

    Also, when it comes to repairability, this project was crowdsourced from Dr. Prius app funds and as such the DIY value in terms of repairability is a high priorirty. Unlike Toyota, these modules aren't sealed and you can take the screws out and remove the top and replace any component within each module, which makes a huge difference in terms of maximizing the lifespan.

    Of course if you haven't driven one of these packs and aren't aware of how much better these packs perform compared to OEM by every measure you probably won't realize how much better a pack is that stays perfectly balanced, as well as maintains optimum performance temperature of the cells thanks to the V2 circuit upgrade that also protects the pack from these type of battery ECU malfunctions.
     
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    Without the original customers there won't be the new V2 and our success story, that's why we are grateful and really never enforce the 2 years warranty.

    Beside, it is a rare opportunity to study the old beaten up batteries and see how we can improve upon, like the recent 200K miles pack that letting us peak into the future and brainstorm ideas for future release. priceless!