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Replacing gen 3 motor with gen 4

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by eleison, Oct 2, 2023.

  1. eleison

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    Hi all,

    I've got issues with consistent rough start on my 2012 prius V. I'm sure the gasket is toast. I see the coolant levels going down. I cleaned all the egrs, etc.. etc. Still rough start. It has 225,000 miles so I think it's about time I just get a new engine and not monkey around with just replacing the gasket.

    Would this engine work?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/115889251207?fits=Year%3A2016%7CModel%3APrius&hash=item1afb89a387:g:cqwAAOSwULRk26yV&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwCPid49G701sGAnq5%2B5iI7b567EQxNLPLZ4vt%2B1HiwhCnynsU5SJA%2FxAv3jyeJ3ordaN88jEGldIc%2F3hI1w6jfu2elY0IHqkb4ie6Kgy7a%2FcXGyVBBLYvP2EShLlY9i3eq%2Ffjh9q9XtSRksvcDzrh5DEdvDmgt9JysnnpWVM%2FbtmqRsRas5FV7QefW4Sfol4flRWdDQHT2rp7haB9Ycfq7Hv06316JZHqCSBR7FXdtI9LQar3N5u6rwvIw%2BAo8C1aQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_CzuaveYg


    I don't under stand the JDM 2ZR-Y20 2ZR. What does the Y20 mean? I think 2Zr means it's just he 2ZR engine, but the Y20. I googled and I get no results.

    Thanks,
    Eleision
     
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    i don't know either, have you asked the seller?

    pretty sure any gen 4 will work, but read through the threads here for advice on the difficulties.
     
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    As soon as I can get my posts up and ad signature, I will try to make a thread on my Gen 4 to Prius V install. I wouldn't go back to Gen 3, unless it was professionally rebuilt with the correct aftermarket head gasket.
     
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  4. eleison

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    Cool. Thanks. The g4 engine is suppose to arrive tomorrow. Man, can't wait to see how it goes. Did you do the pipe bending thing? I'm planning on reusing the old egr and most of the other gen 3 parts. I think the only modification is a sensor cable needs to be extended. This is the video I'm using as a guide:
     
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    No offense to the creator of that video but it’s the worst one to follow because he’s using a rebuilt short block with a gen 3 head. They also skip a lot of details. I learned that the hard way while doing the swap in Jan.

    Best videos for the swap is @Ragingfit ‘s series. Particularly figuring out the plumbing. I’d also recommend watching gasket masters gen 3 engine swap video just to help with organising removal of the engine.
     
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    No pipe bending, that's shadetree mechanic stuff. Gen 3 EGR will fit, but needs to have a tiny corner of the head that sticks out too far filed back so you don't have to use a spacer on the back bolt of the cooler and route that one EGR coolant hose straight instead of pinched. All the water pipe mods are using factory OEM parts on mine.
     
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    What's the miles?
     
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    Miles on car 110,000 and Gen 4 was a fully rebuilt core (lower and undisclosed mileage unfortunately).
     
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    Miles on car 110,000 and Gen 4 was a fully rebuilt core (lower and undisclosed mileage unfortunately).
     
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    That’s a cautionary tale. :(
     
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    Sounds good. Will do. The first video made it look so easy :) I don't think he even mentioned he used a gen 3 head. I hate it when people leave out details like that. So this might take a while :) I did watch Ragingfit's videos. But his videos are 5 years old (or was it 3) and I thought other people might have done better videos. I guess not.

    I've cleaned the egr and removed the manifold before so I'm familiar with the innards of the car. I initially thought replacing the engine might not be so hard, but now I'm thinking it might be more work than I anticipated. Oh well... I'm hoping this works because I really am allergic to car payments :) plus, I like my car.

    Oh, one more question: Did you have to extend the plug? I think in ragingfit's video, he had to because the connector was too short.
     
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    R&D for the shop and the community since this is barely a thing at this point. But yes, no one is crazy like me. Also swapped a perfectly good HV battery at 85k for the Nexcell pack.
     
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    Hybrid Pitstop has the connector and it’s clean, nothing wonky.
     
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    In the video you watched the main coolant hose connects into the same location on the head as the gen 3 motor. That Indicates it’s a modified engine modified to fit the specific swap. I wish that was the case with a gen 4 motor but it’s not. The coolant outlet flange on the gen 3 is “lower” than the gen 4 and it has a stub out that a stubby hose connects to. You’ll have to order the coolant outlet flange and gasket for a gen 4 from the dealer because the connection is flush. Also, the JDM engines have a different plumbing configuration off the outlet flange with additional harness connections that are not in the gen 3 harness.

    yes you have to extend the temp sensor connector because the location is higher on the gen 4 engine. Spend the money to get a connector extension unless you’re comfortable soldering wires. I wish I had.

    Do not modify the gen 3 exhaust manifold. You don’t need to bend any pipes for this swap. You just have to modify the solid pipe that snakes from the the radiator to the coolant outlet flange. Cut it with a grinder or bandsaw. There’s a thread for precise locations.

    You also gotta modify the block like @V Sport Wagon said so you can install the gen 3 egr. Same deal with grinder. You won’t bolt it to the engine it’ll be held in place by intake and exhaust manifold. You’ll see that in the @Ragingfit videos. They are old videos now but that’s because people were still interested in holding on to gen 3s at that time. Most people are avoiding them now.
     
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    What are you trying to say? :) I need my Prius to last another year. But yeah, I think after that it will be time to upgrade. I think the newer cars are safer - new passive/active safety features, etc.. If the engine swap works, I guess I will be happy to trade it in or sell it next year with a clean conscience. It will be missed though. Car prices right now are bonkers though. I want the market place to stabilize a bit. Also, with how the economy is going, car prices will likely decrease and is not a good time for high car payments.
     
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    Swap =experimental diy work. Dealer isn’t going to take that. It’s not a Time Machine built out of a Delorean. There maybe a specific resell market for it though. Search for Biff when the time is right.
     
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    You are probably right. Oh well, one less junked car.. for at least another year I hope. To be honest, I usually never trade in my car to the dealer. I usually sell it myself.

    You sound jaded with the engine swap. I hope that does not portend what I will feel when I start this project this weekend. From my initial impressions, people seem happy with the swap. I hope I don't regret not just buying a new car :)
     
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    Might come off that way but it was a good learning experience. As soon as I got everything fixed I was involved in an accident which my insurance has yet to cover. All the Mechanical and body repairs are a bit too much for a 13 year old car.
     
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    Just a quick update. I and my dad finally got done (sorta). We spent a few weekends on the swap (basically taking our time). There's a few tips I wanted to impart to people who want to do this. First the harborfreight 1 ton engine hoist's boom is too short, get the 2 ton. We ultimately returned the 1 ton, and just rented a 3 ton hoist.

    We couldn't bend the 4th gen jdm oil tube dipstick so we reused the older gen 3 one. HOWEVER, the gen 3 one will not mount on the same hole as the 4th gen. This freaked us out for an hour before we installed the 3rd gen tube and moved it around planning to bend it or something, until we noticed the hole.

    We found it easier to have the prius on level ground when we put back the motor. It aligned up better. Also, I marked with black permanent mark the location of the pin and the hole that the pin would slide into; this helped with aligning the motor back to the transmission.

    We used the prebuild extended temp sensor connector.

    Yesterday, I drove the car and it worked fine. However, today, I am getting a temp light (the red thermostat with two wavely lines at the bottom). I'm not sure what is causing this. Perhaps I did a bad job bleeding the coolant. I'll try to bleed it again tomorrow this time raising the coolant tank higher like the "fixthatprius" guy.
     
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    if you got a laser level and a ratchet strap you can align the engine within a few seconds. I figured that out when I removed the engine and started over again. The pin marking helps too.

    Seems like overheating is a common prob after this swap. Everyone says you gotta bleed properly but I don’t think there’s a video showing the procedure. If I were you I’d be weary of this temp light. You don’t want to blow the head gasket on the new engine. Does your car have a bleeder valve?